I find DVE(Digital Video Essentials) to go a little more in depth than Avia for audio set up, but that could just be me, Avia will give you what you need with some decent sweeps etc. The 3808 does a good job with Audyssey for seting up the speakers and then you can go into the curves and adjust them as you see fit. Something to note if you do use Audyssey, it will set the sub lower than most people want. It will set the sub to blend in so much that you won't know it is even on. It seems almost every one bumps the sub level up 5-6 db from Audyysey's settings, myself included.
