my friend just left very upset and angry
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ok. my buddy has like 8000.00 invested in JM Lab Utopia BE speakers..the bookshelves and surrounds etc...and he is VERY upset...after listening to my M60Ti's...he swears...and i mean swears, that my Axioms are as good if not better than his stereo set up..and at a fraction of the price. he feels like he has been taken.
i told him we will do a blind test at his place, so all other things are equal and he can be sure, but boy was he mad...he says he was "smoozed" which i think means "taken for a ride" on his focals....
i feel great, but boy he is pissed. oh well... again, axiom should be more well known for how good they really are.
as he was leaving he says.."so...how much do you think i could get for my focal setup on ebay? and then i could buy the EP 600 HT package???" ROTFL...
i feel his pain...just thought i'd share
Axiom M60Ti
Infinity 2000.6 x 4
Infinity RS1 rear
Infinity CC200
HSU VTF3 - MKII
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I have heard the JM Lab Utopia's and thought they were an excellent speaker. Are the Axioms better?...that may be pushing it. They are however overpriced (JM) in my book but an excellent speaker none the less.
Your buddy is more choked over the dollars spent then the sound! Do a side by side one day but make sure you keep it apples to apples as in floorstander to floorstander and bookshelf to bookshelf etc. If he doesn't like what he hears, Axiom gains another customer!
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see? that's what I told him..that my speakers might sound better, but that is because of my 4 drivers VS his 2 drivers...but he INSISTS....that my speakers sound as good if not better. i am the one arguing against it, but he insists..and yes, he is bent over the cash for sure...
Axiom M60Ti
Infinity 2000.6 x 4
Infinity RS1 rear
Infinity CC200
HSU VTF3 - MKII
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JM Labs Utopias? Incredibly good speakers. He may want to wait for an A/B demo in his room or yours before he throws them away. Room acoustics are a major and unsung factor in audio sound. JM Labs makes wonderful speakers - Utopias? Top shelf world class.
Axiom makes great speakers, and I believe Axiom could make speakers as wonderful as the Utopias.
I hope our friends spend part of their winter in the frozen north listening to some Utopias, some Reference 3a de capo mm i's, and come up with Axiom speakers which will match them for $1500 a pair. Axiom's greatness is superb sound quality at a great price, but there are some big Knockers out there ... don't lose perspective.
Enjoy the Music. Trust your ears. Laugh at Folks Who Claim to Know it All.
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Yikes! If you have any doubts as to how closely these speakers approach the horizontal on the slope of diminishing returns, this quote from the website might tell you.
"This is simply the point of no return. There is nothing finer. A feat of both design and engineering converge in one fabulously extravagant product. Look and wonder, but if you have to ask the price..."
I have no doubt that the speakers sound good, but sometimes reality needs to slap you upside the head.
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Well, the point on the value/quality axis where your comfortable is a matter of personal preference. For some folks a pair of Polk R25s on sale for $150 a pair would do nicely. How much better are Axioms? Is the difference in quality worth the price? You may answer one way, someone else may think that the price difference is not worth the sound difference. Same for JM Labs Utopias. There is a difference, PMB. You may think the difference in sound quality between M60s and Utopias are not worth the price difference. Someone else may be willing to pay the price.
Enjoy the Music. Trust your ears. Laugh at Folks Who Claim to Know it All.
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These are all good points and very true indeed. That aside, it has to make you feel pretty darn good about your recent purchase. I know it made me feel pretty good.
cheers
oz
"Life is what happens while your busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Point taken, 2x6. I guess I just can't see myself ever treading that asymptotic cost vs. value added limit, even if future disposable income would allow it. I am not everybody, though.
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yup. i feel DAMN good about my purchase...but i did before he said all this...now i just feel better. LOL
Axiom M60Ti
Infinity 2000.6 x 4
Infinity RS1 rear
Infinity CC200
HSU VTF3 - MKII
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Yes we would all be eager if you guys could do an A/B comparison in his home.
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