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With the M3 and M2 (and M5), try dropping them 6" below ear level. I am really curious to know what difference it might make for you.
So the oak is sweet, eh?
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The M60 appears more linear to me than the M5 so that's a good indication it ought to disappear as well. Then again, the published curves are for the standard M60. I have no idea what the M60HP curves look like. All it takes is some cabinet vibration of the right amplitude and bandwidth and BLAM! the speakers become visible. Like i said, my m60ti do disappear and it's really cool. It's a must have for me. With the M3 and M2 (and M5), try dropping them 6" below ear level. I am really curious to know what difference it might make for you.
So the oak is sweet, eh? I'll ttry that but i have no yammie for about another week or so. Still waiting on my za-1000 to arrive at work, yammie is filling in there temporarily. And yes, the black oak is much nicer than i than i anticiapted. It's really stout looking and will jive well with my desk and office zone with all the black screens and computer stuff etc.
M60ti Hafler9505 & JFET Pre,Axiom Transformer. M3 Marantz PM7200 Dual 606 Denon 2700 M2 Yammy RX595
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Re: Power Handling when removing binding post connecto
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When the new Axiom subs are introduced, I might trade in my 800v4 black vinyl oak for real black oak. It's a big decision for me because Ian built that sub, wrote the 'nad tickler/gut punch DSP code for it and then tested in the chamber. He built custom artwork for the amp panel with the 'nad tickler/gut punch lettering. He then dragged Andrew onto the factory floor for driver signing. It's real special. Every time I turn it on, I give it a little pat and a wink.
I'm telling you, you don't need ALFRs but you do need an 800.
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Oh man.....you cant let that go....its one of a kind!!!
But if you do, rest assured the black oak is really nice. Classic is another way to describe it. The pair i have are b stock but ive looked all over them from every angle and i cant see anything wrong with them, theyre basically perfect.
Whats the skinny on the new subs? Newer and improved DSP code? Even beefier drivers and amps? I've always fancied 2 subs playing in stereo as something id like to try. Maybe the new subs will come out in the future when im ready to throw down for my great room setup.
Nad tickler....nice. coochy koo.
M60ti Hafler9505 & JFET Pre,Axiom Transformer. M3 Marantz PM7200 Dual 606 Denon 2700 M2 Yammy RX595
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No need to be without an amp. Here's your chance to try tubes. From Amazon. With the standard Power supply, you'll get 80W/channel. SUCA AUDIO HiFi Bluetooth 5.0 Amplifier, 6K4 Vacuum Tube Power Amplifier, 2 Channel 160W+160W Home Stereo Receiver Digital Audio Amp for Home Passive Speaker, Bookshelf - with Power Supply https://a.co/d/bgQw5BJ
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The new subs will come with an app.
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The new subs will come with an app. Oh sweet. Thats awesome, variable phase adjust etc like the app I saw with the svs subs. That will be really cool. No need to be without an amp. Here's your chance to try tubes. From Amazon. With the standard Power supply, you'll get 80W/channel. SUCA AUDIO HiFi Bluetooth 5.0 Amplifier, 6K4 Vacuum Tube Power Amplifier, 2 Channel 160W+160W Home Stereo Receiver Digital Audio Amp for Home Passive Speaker, Bookshelf - with Power Supply https://a.co/d/bgQw5BJI'm leery of trying the really cheap stuff. I was looking at maybe Reisong a10 as recommended by 2x6. Now might be the right time.
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The cheaper one may be better. Try both. Punt them back if they suck.
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Using our agreed logic above (get an amp near the RMS max of what your speakers are rated for) an ADA-1250 would do the trick for me with 225 watts RMS at 8 ohms my m60ti with the upgrade path to either m100 or LFR. Or do I spring for an ada-1500 with my giant room and run that with my m60ti? Should be fine i think....it will supply 325 rms into 8 ohms. I think Rich had the best answer a few pages back in the speaker only pulls the amount of current needed at any point in time. Wrapping your head around the RMS max is a bit of a fools game in speakers are never played at RMS max. buy that i am saying that in listening to music on your speakers, I don't know of anyone who would want to be listening to a constant tone that will generate the RMS max condition. Music is a constant changing sound output that some parts that are load may be using far less power than other parts that are seemingly quieter but more complex requiring more power to create. I recently moved from a set of passive LFR being run by an ADA1000 that at no point did i experience any feeling that the output was being compressed or distorted by running out of power. The new Active LFR are getting powered by two 5 channel ADA1500 and I can not personally that I am hearing the night and day improvement from regular listening volumes. The Active can get louder than my old ones. I have set my Pre to limit the volume to -15db. Working on the concept that sound volume doubles every 10db, I know full well that I could if I wanted to get the speakers to be 8 times louder than what I have it limited to and maybe it is at those levels that the 1500 would shine well about the 1000 that I had, and my experience is contained in just not listening to music loud enough.
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As for the ALFRs, unless you plan on throwing dance parties, you don't need them. The passive Axioms are that good. If you're having a dance party you just need loud and reasonable fidelity ... no one is going to care about imaging, stage, or other such non-sense ... ahhhh, IMHO
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