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Yup, time to buy some new cables.
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To me it looks like your Denon 1600 is a progressive scan player which means it will only output 480P. So changing cables will not somehow magically scale to 1080i, you will need an upconverting DVD player like the Oppo 971, 981, Panasonic S-97 or S77, Sony DVP-SA70, etc.
If you like your current setup, then no worries. If you want more, then get the Oppo you mentioned and either run straight component or get an HDMI-component cable.
Bottom line is you cant get HD display without the use of an upconverting DVD player(or blu ray, etc) to generate it.
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I had a quick look at monoprice and do not see a HDMI-component cable available, so you will be best off to go with a DVD player that has component output if you upgrade( the Oppo 981 does not)
Here is a list of what video cable gives the best quality image:
What type of video cable is better?
From lowest to highest picture quality: composite (RCA or F-pin), S-video, component, and finally RGB.
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That post JAKEWASH refered us to had to be the longest, most winded, thread I have ever read. My head hurt after reading it and actually forget what the original question was. Good read though. It's hard to find who was right and wrong. I guess it is all just preference.
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Ctown, your links are not working. I know component is best but I thought DVI-D was better? Yes, right now I'm using component for my denon at 480p and its the best I can get. I know I will need upconverting player such as Oppo to get higher resolution but are you guys saying I can get 1080i through component or use DVI-D? I plan on keeping the Denon since it works great and it can be used as bedroom or secondary player or just cd player, or maybe use it as intro dvd before the movie.  But my main question is, which cable is best if you had to chose between component vs dvi-d between my display and upconverting player? Also some Oppos have hdmi and they have hdmi to dvi cable as well. So which is best path to get best pic? By the way, is 1080i better picture than 480p or 540p? If someone can take a pic of each format using same picture/film just to show me the difference that will help.
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which cable is best if you had to chose between component vs dvi-d
You may or may not see a difference between DVI or component cables, I would use the DVI-D cable instead of using the three component cables, many upconverting DVD players will only do upconversion through DVI or HDMI, I'm not sure about the Oppos.
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The Oppo 971 does upconversion through component for sure, not sure about what else it has coming out the back. The Oppo 981 does not have any Component outputs, HDMI/SVideo/Composite only.
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That post JAKEWASH refered us to had to be the longest, most winded, thread I have ever read. My head hurt after reading it and actually forget what the original question was. Good read though. It's hard to find who was right and wrong. I guess it is all just preference.
It wasn't about right or wrong it was mostly about knowing the native resolution your HDTV uses so that you know which setting to use. It does say somewhere in that length(or was it somewhere else I was reading), most people prefer 720P to 1080i if the incoming signals are the same, ie. 720P set showing 720P signal and 1080i set showing 1080i signal, the 720 appears smoother. It also says if buying a smaller than 50" 1080P set is a waste of money as your eye can not see the higher resolution in the smaller displays from normal watching distances on smaller HDTVs.
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Ctown, your links are not working. I know component is best but I thought DVI-D was better? Yes, right now I'm using component for my denon at 480p and its the best I can get. I know I will need upconverting player such as Oppo to get higher resolution but are you guys saying I can get 1080i through component or use DVI-D? I plan on keeping the Denon since it works great and it can be used as bedroom or secondary player or just cd player, or maybe use it as intro dvd before the movie. But my main question is, which cable is best if you had to chose between component vs dvi-d between my display and upconverting player? Also some Oppos have hdmi and they have hdmi to dvi cable as well. So which is best path to get best pic? By the way, is 1080i better picture than 480p or 540p? If someone can take a pic of each format using same picture/film just to show me the difference that will help.
First, there was no link, just the hilighted part in blue that said component or RGB were the best. HDMI is the same pic quality as component, but more convenient with the audio coupled in it as well.
If I had to choose between component or DVI, I'd choose whatever is less expensive or more convenient to you as you probably will not notice any difference. See the quote in RED I copied from another forum on the topic.
If there is any difference, it is very negligable. In more experiences, the quality of the connectors on the device have a greater impact on the quality, meaning that on some DVD players/HD STBs, etc..., one type of connector may not be designed with as much playback quality as another. This could even be simply a firmware issue.
Either way, I have played with DVI vs. Component on my Moto DCT6200 and I can't see a real difference.
To your last question...is 1080i better than 480P or 540P. In a word YES. My 27" direct view CRT is capable of displaying 540 lines of vertical resolution but is not High Definintion. 1080i is High Definition.
Watch digital Standard Definintion TV on your TV as that is 480P. Then visit a retailer and see if you can find a similar RPTV showing a HD broadcast as most of those are 1080i broadcasts. The difference is night and day.
My friend had a 61" Toshiba CRT that does 540P/1080i and was only watching Standard Def thru it. I found it harsh to watch and the pixels were evident. He then got a HD set top box feeding a 1080i signal into it and now it looks fantastic.
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It does say somewhere in that length(or was it somewhere else I was reading), most people prefer 720P to 1080i if the incoming signals are the same, ie. 720P set showing 720P signal and 1080i set showing 1080i signal, the 720 appears smoother.
That is probably due to no conversion having to be done by the video processor, not wether the source is progressive or interlaced.
My 1080P set processes 1080i very easily compared to 720P which shows some jaggies. It converts 480P very well too, but the pic is soft on the 61" display.
Its just my opinion, but to the OP...either cable will work very similar, just calibrate your TV using Digital Video Essentials or Avia disc once you have it hooked up. Some have said their display looked different when connected via component vs DVI, but that was corrected when they calibrated it.
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