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Hutzal:
Although I said I listen to Classical occasionally, in fact, I listen to Classical in the fall/winter, and Jazz during the spring/summer. It's summer now, so that was the reason for what I said. So much for the nonsense.
Given what I have just said above, which of the EP series woulkd you recommend (I have M60's).
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I think the system sounds fabulous.
That's all that really matters 
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1. Amp: Soundstage One Hybrid Tube Integrated Amp (25 wpc, Chinese knock-off), which I'm keeping.
I've never owned a tube amp, but for some reason they fascinate me. You might get some 'digital dirty looks' around here for using it, but I say that if you like the way it sounds then go for it.
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2. M60's - that's a no-brainer.
Welcome to the club!
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3. 1985 Philips & 1990 Sony CPDs - I need to upgrade.
Um, probably not a bad idea! The 1990 Sony might not be *that* bad, but the 1985 is really reaching back to the early days of CD's. You might want to take a look at an Oppo player. While I don't own one, they're pretty popular universal players that are highly regarded and are not very expensive. Even Stereophile thought the $249 one was a steal.
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4. Speaker Wire - I've read so much on speaker wire that I'm ready to buy a reel of it and hang myself.
Few topics will 'stir the pot' as much as speaker wire. I'm of the 'middle-road' camp. I use wire (Canare 4S11 and Belden from Blue Jeans Cable) that fits my budget and application but that is more expensive than lamp cord. I can't objectively say that it sounds any better, but I like the asthetics of the thicker, more solid wire.
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5. Speaker/Amp Interconnects - I have always used raw sanded copper for the speaker/amp interconnect, which I resand if I ever remove them.
I have a couple of pairs of Monster Cable interconnects that were like $40 each. Nice, but they're just cables. I have several pairs of the 'premium' RCA interconnects from Monoprice.com that cost like $5 each. I can tell no difference what-so-ever in SQ. I quite like them.
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6. Sub-woofer - I play at moderate home levels in a multi-use small room (20' x 20' x8'), and obviously don't expect nor do I want to, shake windows or walls. With the M60's should I consider a sub, and would it improve my system performance if I did get one?
I have M80's and listen to mostly classical and jazz music too, and they are greatly helped by my SVS PCI+ 20-39. I would say that your M60's would certainly benefit too. The 'company line' around here will be, for obvious reasons, to check out an EP500 or EP600. I've not experienced either, but they are supposed to be monster subs. Monster in terms of output and quality. But you're not talking about needing a sub that can re-arrange furniture nor strip paint from the walls. You're listening to classical and jazz music, which isn't usually bass-heavy music. I don't know if you need such a monster sub. I would definitely take a good look at SVS and HSU's subs. The VTF line of HSU's are especially popular, and offer a whole lot of sub for less money than the 'bad-boy' EP500/600. Not to take anything away from the EP500/600, but they might be overkill for your application.
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I listen to alot of jazz with my EP500 and M22s, and it sounds great to me.
The EP500 is a really musical sub, it can reproduce an acoustic bass, and electric bass with clarity.
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Thanks Peter:
1. My number one priority will be the CDP; the subs can wait until Christmas.
2. I've always used lamp cord (zip wire), but this time I think I'm gonna' plurge and buy some Axiom wire at $1/ft. I bought some Dayton RCA audio connectors a few years ago (highly rated back then and so cheap), so those are going to be my amp/speaker interconnects. That's it until I win the lottery.
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It looks like it might put an end to a lot of fairy tales provided that it gets to the right people.
You are an overly optimistic person, unfortunately. Silly things like evidence and reason! Bah!
Excellent site, though. I adore the part about the in-store Monster cable demo which shows "improved imaging" and "wider soundstage" with Monster cable...with 1 speaker! Now THAT'S some cable!
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The sub will make far more of a difference than the CDP.
I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!
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I have to agree with Ken here. Price vs. performance you will here a much greater diffence, to the good, getting the sub and run the cd player you already own.
Rick
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zhimbo:
I concur with your implication of my stupidity; a very pleasant way of saying such! Humour (I hope) aside, I agree. Marketing always wins when it comes to wire sales. One day someone is winding alternate strands in oppposite directions, and the next day, someone is using the same technique but winding alternate pairs of strands in opposite directions.
You're absolutelty right; I'm living in Oz, and the best I can do is pass that article onto my friends.
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kcarlile:
Unfortunately, I don't understand most of your comments; they're one-liners like out of a cartoon strip. I think those comments are embedded with a lot of information, and if you would take just a bit more time to explain them, we would all be better off for it.
Working on that premise, should you agree to it, would you be so kind as to explain yourself. How did you trade off CDP performance against subwoofer performance. I would have argued exactlly the opposite.
I would have said that a quality CDP in combination with the quality M60's I'm lucky to have is going to give me most of the performance, while a subwoofer would only enhance a poorer source of audio, namely my older CDPs.
Where did I err?
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wid:
1. Read what I just posted to to Ken, and then tell me if you've changed your opinion.
2. To all - you're entitled to change your mind on this Forum without embarassment, unless you have a BIG EGO. I 'eat crow' all the time, and I'm not not embarassed about it. It demonstrates to me that I have the guts to admit when I'm wrong, and more importantly, that I've learned something.
3. Philosophical, Mickey Rooney gut-turning rhetoric now ends. However, no guarentee that it might occur again (GOD give me mercy)!.
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