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Re: Subwoofers
manarex #185364 11/24/07 09:02 PM
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My buddy has a similar issue with his sub. He uses his pre-amp to drive a sub whose name I can't remember. When I listened to it, I could hear vocals out of the sub. So I calibrated his sub and speakers and it sounded much better. But I could not get his sub to blend with his fronts the way my 600 blends with my 80s. The best way I can describe it is that the bass sounds distinct from the rest of the music. Now he doesn't perceive this and I certainly am not going to point it out since he's now a happy man.


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Re: Subwoofers
Mojo #185376 11/24/07 10:35 PM
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Mojo: I sure can tell the difference, and I'm considered tone-deaf (whatever that means).

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Re: Subwoofers
manarex #185384 11/24/07 11:14 PM
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If you're near the TO area and have a buddy there, you may want to look up jakeman on these boards. He has a slew of subs and recently did testing with the EP400. I think from what you're looking for the EP400 may be the sub for you...


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Re: Subwoofers
HAY #185403 11/25/07 01:08 AM
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Hay: Well thanks for that recommendation. jakeman seems very knowledgeable in quite a few aspects of audio.


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Re: Subwoofers
Mojo #185448 11/25/07 03:29 PM
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Mojo: I've never been able to blend the sub with the M60's. The only way I can do it, is to cut the phase close to zero, and set the sub's volume to almost zero. Perfect - the sub is now doing nothing, and I can listen to those sweet M60's.


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Re: Subwoofers
manarex #185471 11/25/07 06:18 PM
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Can you run an extra set of speaker wires to the high inputs of a sub instead of going in and out of the sub?

Re: Subwoofers
manarex #185473 11/25/07 06:44 PM
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 Originally Posted By: manarex
Mojo: I've never been able to blend the sub with the M60's. The only way I can do it, is to cut the phase close to zero, and set the sub's volume to almost zero. Perfect - the sub is now doing nothing, and I can listen to those sweet M60's.

You should be able to integrate the crossover of a subwoofer with the M60s by dialing it around to the 50Hz point or so. Possibly even a bit less.
Then play around with the gain. I like to set my sub to a less than SPL equalized value compared to the M60 mains since i find most movies tend to run a bit 'hot'. For music i prefer the M60 bass anyway so a bit less from the sub works out perfectly.
One still needs a sub to hit those really low notes.


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Re: Subwoofers
bugbitten #185476 11/25/07 06:59 PM
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Hello bugbitten: I implemented your suggestion, but I get garbled audio. Thanks for the suggestion.

And it seems like I have to adjust the sub volume for different CDs. Is this normal?

If it wasn't so heavy, I was thinking that I'm soon going to punt this sub out the bedroom window.


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Re: Subwoofers
manarex #185486 11/25/07 07:49 PM
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 Originally Posted By: manarex
And it seems like I have to adjust the sub volume for different CDs. Is this normal?

Unfortunately it can be.
Each sound recording may be mixed by different companies, different sound engineers. Some may pump up the bass, some may make the recording 'hot' (more treble).
This will be noticeable across music discs.

You have to find a level of your sub that is a good blend for the best and the worst, or simply don't play the worst as often as the best.
Keep in mind THERE ARE LIMITATIONS to this audio reproduction. You may not find a perfect solution regardless of what equipment you buy!!


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Re: Subwoofers
chesseroo #185503 11/25/07 10:40 PM
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Hi chesseroo: If you have to tweak the sub for different CDs, it sounds like the sub excels at taking a 'good' piece of music and distorting it. If this is so, what reasonable person would ever buy a sub.


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