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The gold bits between the binding posts.
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Make sure the straps across the back are in place properly and that they are in phase. Um, what are "straps"? The jumpers...that is the actual name, those connect the two sections of the crossover together, if you removethem you need ot biamp, or what makes less sense to me biwire them...
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Ah, thanks! I'd never heard of them called 'straps' before. Speaking of, if I want to biwire do I have to remove them? Obviously makes sense, I'm just curious. I'd be using both the A and B speaker connections on my amp. Never tried it before but am curious.
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Yep, just pull the jumpers out and hook one set of wires to the top binding posts and the other wires to the second set of binding posts.
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BIAMPING makes sense, BIWIRING is in my opinion a waste of time, it is just making the jumpers longer, period....
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"...Even fairly sophisticated audiophiles fall for this hocus-pocus. What’s more,loudspeaker manufacturers participate in the sham when they tell you that those two pairs of terminals on the back of the speaker are for biwiring as well as biamping. Some of the most highly respected names in loudspeakers are guilty of this hypocritical genuflection to the tweako sacraments—they are in effect surrendering to the “realities” of the market. The truth is that biamping makes sense in certain cases, even with a passive crossover, but biwiring is pure voodoo. If you move one pair of speaker wires to the same terminals where the other pair is connected, absolutely nothing changes electrically. The law of physics that says so is called the superposition principle. In terms of electronics, the superposition theorem states that any number of voltages applied simultaneously to a linear network will result in a current which is the exact sum of the currents that would result if the voltages were applied individually. The audio salesman or ’phile who can prove the contrary will be an instant candidate for some truly major scientific prizes and academic honors. At the same time it is only fair to point out that biwiring does no harm. It just doesn’t do anything. Like magnets in your shoes..."
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Biamping is a waste of time unless done correctly.
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I can tell you more, it is really hard to do it properly. And everytime you change the volume you have a new problem...
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Wow, thanks guys! I appreciate the education on this. I've only read about it all but never tried it. I presently have a sub hooked directly to the bottom binding posts. I guess that might be about the same rule as above in terms of current, etc.
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To all,
Back to the speaker placement. Hypothetically speaking, If one was restricted to a distance of 7'- 8' between speakers. Seating was going to cover a distance of about 12' - 14' horizontally at a distance of 12' away from the speakers. Can the 2 front speakers be towed out and still sound good across the seating area. Think of it as a backwards triangle with the base of the triangle being the 12-14 foot row of seating.
Has anybody ever tried this??? Interested in comments.
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