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I've been keeping an eye on PS3 for a blue ray player, so I can answer a couple of your questions. PS3 can not send a DD True HD or DTS Master Audio stream to another component via any cable. It can decode these internally, and output them as PCM over HDMI (at 7.1 I believe). It can bitstream undecoded 5.1 over HDMI for decoding by the reciever. The optical audio can only do 5.1, including I believe decoded DD HD or DTS Master Audio, but can't say for certain The PS3 doesn't have 5.1/7.1 analog audio outputs. This is the best link I've found, which describes the current (April/May 2008) capabilities of the PS3. What's on HDTVKarlman
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I don't believe any of the HD sound formats can be sent through optical on any player.
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Thanks Karlman,
I appreciated your feedback and will follow that link you included.
Thanks again,
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I don't believe any of the HD sound formats can be sent through optical on any player. I've been curious about that, and managed to find the following info from the Dolby Technology site: Included within 7.1-channel multichannel Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD streams is a core 5.1 mix prepared by the content maker that is used when the player is set for 5.1-channel mode. After playback audio signals have been mixed in the player, the PCM signal can be encoded to a Dolby Digital signal and output from the player via S/PDIF (optical or coaxial) to your connected Dolby Digital A/V receiver or processor.
In many instances, the audio quality you will experience from this connection may be better than what you would experience during playback of standard-definition DVD-Video discs, especially if the native signal on the disc is Dolby TrueHD or high-bit-rate Dolby Digital Plus. This is a direct result of a higher-quality source signal feeding a Dolby Digital encoder running at 640 kbps—higher than the maximum bit rate on DVD-Video. So basically it you get the equivalent of a top quality DVD 5.1 sound track, but that's it. From what I have read DTS MA works the same way.. e.g. both have a core 5.1 track that can be down-sampled to SPDIF digital/coax. Of course DD TrueHD can be 18 Mbtyes/s and DTS MA maxes at 25 Mbtytes..
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Stephane, on the point about the video processing of the various sources that you'll be using, of course the projector or other display device has to do any processing necessary if a previous component hasn't done it. This leads to a suggestion that you add the Onkyo 875 to the list of receivers that you're considering, because of the Reon video processor that it uses. Testing has shown that Onkyo has implemented the Reon very well and that its video processing is distinctly superior. This should be available for around $1100CA.
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Thanks John,
I got a price of $2000 here in town (Ottawa)and that's why it was off my list, but maybe I can get it cheaper online somewhere, even with shipping etc..
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I've been keeping an eye on PS3 for a blue ray player, so I can answer a couple of your questions. PS3 can not send a DD True HD or DTS Master Audio stream to another component via any cable. It can decode these internally, and output them as PCM over HDMI (at 7.1 I believe). It can bitstream undecoded 5.1 over HDMI for decoding by the reciever. The optical audio can only do 5.1, including I believe decoded DD HD or DTS Master Audio, but can't say for certain The PS3 doesn't have 5.1/7.1 analog audio outputs. This is the best link I've found, which describes the current (April/May 2008) capabilities of the PS3. What's on HDTVKarlman Thanks Karlman, So, if I understand correctly: Only the HDMI output can send decoded DD-HD and DTS-MA to a receiver. The optical output only gives you core downmix but at a higher bandwidth than regular DVD player. So, my connection would be: 1. PS3 HDMI out to receiver HDMI in and then receiver HDMI out to Epson projector. This will give me up to DD-HD and DTS-MA sound (and everything in between) decoded by PS3 sent as PCM. 2. In that scenario, the Video portion is either "pass through" the receiver or processed by the receiver's chip ie: HQV Reon up to 1080P (and everything below that) and sent to the Epson projector, all via the same HDMI cable. Cool.. I think I'm starting to get it now. Thanks guys, Steph
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You can get the Onkyo 875 for $1013 US from amazon.com. I don't know what the shipping would be to Canada though. I got my Onkyo 805 from amazon.com and the shipping was free here in the US.
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It comes up as $1240 inc. shipping(appears to be a sale right now for $993), about what I paid for my 3808.
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I just checked on Amazon.com and that receiver is only shipped in the US.
Major Bummer.. and the Amazon.ca site does not even sell electronics.. that's so frigging lame man.. I'll find a way somehow.. I'm not paying $2000 plus 14% tax when I can get it in the states for $1000.
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