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Is there any word on when you will get a stock M22 for testing?

I am hopefull the comparison can take place this weekend, if not, I am sure it will happen by the end of this month at the latest. Just having a hard time getting schedules to mesh.

I think jakewash deserves a big group hug :D. I know I would not be able nor willing to invest all this time on this matter. I just want to point out THANKS!

These are essentially my thoughts as well. I haven't heard this particular product, so I can't comment on what I expect the outcome to be, but to say there has to be a strict scientific method to even decide whether or not there is a difference probably over complicates the issue in the particular case.

If we're talking about the difference between the original components and premium level components, I can understand that need, as there is debate as to whether it makes any difference at all already, and the "voice" of the speaker is likely to be similar even if there is improvement. Same goes with comparing speaker wire or IC's or power cords or whatever. In this case, it's important to remember this is a bigger change than that. The topology of the network is actually altered here, with different crossover point altogether.

Like I said much earlier in this thread, I haven't heard an example of one of the designs that only changes out components, but I have heard the Onix Reference 1's both before and after, and the difference isn't subtle. (also a design that is all new vs. just upgraded parts) It was a gtg with 90 people in attendance and I didn't hear a single person claim they thought there was no difference. A few preferred the original, most preferred the upgrade, but nobody questioned that they were different. (and no, most weren't audio snobs that think $500 cables are better than $400)

I suppose you could give an extreme example where his room and front end were so awful he couldn't tell the difference between his m22's and a bose lifestyle system, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. It stands to reason that we can get a general idea from his observations.

Naturally opinions should be taken as such, and it's absolutely not scientific, but that doesn't make it un-useful. It certainly isn't a 100% decision as to which is better, but most of us are just curious to hear what he thinks of it. For that matter isn't that how most of us decided to buy our first Internet Direct speakers?

These are a few important things I would like to point out.

1) Level matching the speakers is a must.
2) Use 2 channel Direct Mode so there is no equilazation being used from the receiver.
3) Blind Testing

You might also want to test some multichannel stuff as crossover networks can affect phase quite a lot and sound fine in stereo, but strange as you add other channels. If you have Avia (or another DVD like that) that provides tests with moving objects, it might be interesting to see if there is a difference (better or worse) between the 2 networks.

Just to let you guys know, Mojo has agreed to partake in this comparison, although I doubt he will post his impressions.

Absolutely, the speaker levels will be matched, from my initial testing it isn't hard to match as they have the same output with pink noise from the avr.

I am using pure direct mode at the momment.

As we are simply looking for differences between the speakers, is blind listening really necessary? We are not looking for a "I prefer this to that" conclusion, we are simply looking for the 'new' sound the Ninja XO's bring.

I guess that answers the question of sensitivity. I was just going to ask if the numbers were posted on that.

IIRC, Sean said the sensitivty was virtually unchanged as is the power handling.

We are not talking about suppression of the expression of free speech or anything here. Hold onto the soap box speeches for the next election.

Jack, you know full well that in the world of audio a subjective expression of opinion becomes a second person's Bible of authority on what is unequivocally true even though it could not be further from the truth.
For example, aren't all Axiom speakers bright? Because I read that on a forum and this information was posted from a well renowned audiophile who posts there a lot.

What I am saying time and time again is "oh really"?
And I will never stop asking that question so that the "second" person who comes along may think a bit harder or more in depth rather than blindly believing the first subjectively expressed opinion they read on a subject.

the bottom line
help debunk the myths

unless of course this takes away too much of the illusion of audio magic and in such case I have to apologize for destroying anyone's dreams of audio nirvana with 150k Wilson Audio speakers and 50k Cardas interconnects