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hope your ceilings aren't 13ft tall, the worst room for peaks and nulls in freq response is where dimensions are the same or divisible easily by each other. The 80's will give you better bass response, but a lot has to do with how you have your bass management setup in the receiver, sub, etc. it's 13x13x8'. I will post pictures after I've installed my projector mount. On my receiver, the bass is configured to be sent to both the speakers and sub. Crossover is set to 80hz.
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Well, the difference in form-factor is pretty significant. Jason's room is dedicated to his theatre.
Luc, don't underestimate just how deep the M80's are physically. By the time you move them out from the wall a bit, the effective size of your room is going to be diminished by about a meter in that direction. Same thing with their position relative to the side walls.
If you have other furniture in that room, the M80's could disrupt your aesthetic.
Honestly, given the size of your room and the size of the M80's, I'd just stick with the M22's. Perhaps experiment with their placement a bit. See if you can borrow another sub from a shop or a friend to see if that makes a big difference for you. What you're saying is making sense. I didn't calculate the size of the speakers and their placement. They would fit but would be really noticeable.
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Good point Tom - they do eat up a lot of the real estate, and in my room it's unimportant space as it's the first 3' out from a 100" screen... where no one will ever want to walk/sit/stand, etc. In a multifunctional room, that's a lot more space to chew up. I have a 120" screen in there. My seats are not against the opposite walls so the m80 would be really near.
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my setup is mostly 95% for movies/tv/gaming -- 5% music
At 95% movies, I would go for a second sub to smooth out the bass. I did a/b comparisons of the M22+sub, M60 and M80. They all sound very similar, but the M80 seemed to deliver more detail across the entire frequency range. The m22+ sub had a much more forward sound than the M80. I was evaluating mainly for music. is there a second sub output on pio receivers? I could plug a second sub at the back of the first one but how do I calibrate them properly. Normally the receiver calibrates the phase and volume level but when hooking two different subs it will probably mess them up?
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Just got back from Mojo's where we had a nice listening session with the modded M22s, a stock set of M22 v2 and his M80s. I must say that there is a much closer sonic signature between the M22v2s and the M80s than I ever have had with my M22v1's. The 3 of us agreed that the M22v2+sub lost very little in comparison to the M80 or even M80+sub. My v1 M22s+sub never quite sounded as rich, as the M80s, although I felt the combo had more detail.
In light of this new found information, I must say that for your smaller room stick with the M22s and sub.
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Just got back from Mojo's where we had a nice listening session with the modded M22s, a stock set of M22 v2 and his M80s. I must say that there is a much closer sonic signature between the M22v2s and the M80s than I ever have had with my M22v1's. The 3 of us agreed that the M22v2+sub lost very little in comparison to the M80 or even M80+sub. My v1 M22s+sub never quite sounded as rich, as the M80s, although I felt the combo had more detail.
In light of this new found information, I must say that for your smaller room stick with the M22s and sub.
I feel the same way. The only place the M80s or M80s+sub beat the M22v2+sub in my room was more impact coming from the front. However, though the M22v2+sub didn’t have as much in-your-face impact the bass was tighter, because I could optimize the subwoofer placement.
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I have a 120" screen in there. My seats are not against the opposite walls so the m80 would be really near. Wow, and to think I sometimes think my screen is too big for the depth of my first row of seats (92" screen, ~10 foot first row). You must feel like you're inside the movie looking at that 10' diagonal monster! Awesome. Jason
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I have a 120" screen in there. My seats are not against the opposite walls so the m80 would be really near. Wow, and to think I sometimes think my screen is too big for the depth of my first row of seats (92" screen, ~10 foot first row). You must feel like you're inside the movie looking at that 10' diagonal monster! Awesome. Jason I bought the optoma hd65 at costco and it camed with a 92" screen. But when I projected on the wall, for a test, the wife told me to forget the 92" screen. So I kept the screen, we may use it later for a second room.
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Man, now that the audio gear acquisition side of my home theater is coming to a good resting point, I'm going to have to start looking at projectors. I mean, I won't actually buy anything until I can move it all down into the basement, which will be a while, but it's something to look forward to and plan for. I wonder how big of a screen I'll be able to manage down there. The bad news is the basement is short. I doubt it will even be 7' high with the suspended ceiling. Otherwise, there should be plenty of space to work with. The support beam situation will be something to work around, too, but it shouldn't be too bad. But yeah, hearing people talk about projectors gets me revved up since that's going to be the final piece that makes my system come together.
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Man, now that the audio gear acquisition side of my home theater is coming to a good resting point, I'm going to have to start looking at projectors. I mean, I won't actually buy anything until I can move it all down into the basement, which will be a while, but it's something to look forward to and plan for. I wonder how big of a screen I'll be able to manage down there. The bad news is the basement is short. I doubt it will even be 7' high with the suspended ceiling. Otherwise, there should be plenty of space to work with. The support beam situation will be something to work around, too, but it shouldn't be too bad. But yeah, hearing people talk about projectors gets me revved up since that's going to be the final piece that makes my system come together. if you asked me last year if I would ever own a projector, I would have probably said no. Never been so wrong.. The Optoma hd65 is a good starter package. It was at 999$CDN at Costco and came with a screen. I just painted the wall in white and gone for the biggest image possible. Mine is not in the basement, it's on the first floor and I have really large triple windows. The projector lamp is so bright we can even watch it with lights fully opened in the kitchen. few pictures of a hd65 picture:
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