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Anyone here dealt with the Sonos for audio distribution? I use my computer mostly to play music.
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receivers don't "sound" different. I'm surprised to hear people say that. I mean there are component level difference that can affect the sound. Weaker DSPs, inefficient transformers, crappy implementation of codecs. Isn't this one of the reasons why (legitimate) size and weight was a consideration in the non-digital days? Heat generation/ dissipation was a huge consideration in amplifier design. It's been ages since my classes, but poor implementation certainly would affect the sound.
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No, only a failure to amplify with flat frequency response from 20-20KHz and inaudibly low noise and distortion would affect the sound. This is the bottom line, there isn't anything else, and the design considerations to achieve it can vary as long as the results are there. These days the great thing for us is that it's routinely accomplished by receivers available for a few hundred dollars. Claims to a contrary(and plentiful helpings of BS by some manufacturers)abound of course, but they collapse when put to a properly controlled double-blind listening test.
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John, I agree that power amplifers with in a certain price range will sound the same (or not sound at all). But A receiver is a whole diffrent animal than a power amplfier.
Receivers are made of 3 parts, amplifer, pre-amplfier, and processor. The variables within the last two can have an effect on sound quality. Depending on the design (signal path), preamplifer components and D/A converts used.
To say that a 5 year old $300 Technics or Sony receiver will sound as good as a current $2500 Rotel, Arcam, or Denon is really stretching it (assuming power reatings are equal).
Your thoughts?
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Paul, it's not really stretching it, though. The primary reason people should be concerned with buying a separate power amplifier is if they listen to dynamic music loudly on a regular basis. With certain speakers -- M80s being one of those -- loud passages can take an underpowered amp into clipping and that definitely affects the sound negatively.
D/A converters are a mature technology -- and were even 5 years ago -- so unless they're specifically designed to alter the digital source, they will all be next to impossible to distinguish between in real listening tests.
Many people will claim to hear a difference between high-end amp A and common receiver B until they're asked to prove it in a properly controlled scenario.
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So with the M80's, which would you recommend:
Denon 3809 vs. Marantz SR8002 vs. Rotel RSP - 1560
I would need to upgrade my 2805 Denon for the HDMI inputs/outputs anyways. If I did go with one of the above, you would still recommend I get a separate amplifier? We never listen to load music. We would watch movies, once a month or so.
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All are a fine choice. Pick the one that gives you the features you want for a price you're willing to pay.
Personally, I like the look of the Denon best.
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I agree with Peter... though there's no 3809. I think you mean the 3808 or 2809?
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