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Re: Axiom Launches M0 On-Wall Speaker
jmone #262622 06/05/09 02:26 PM
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Hi jmone,

Interesting question. You can actually go smaller than the 3-inch woofer in the M0 (Accent) or Audiobyte--IF you are willing to trade off other variables, output being one of the big trade-offs.

For example, I don't know if you have ever heard a tiny radio made by Tivoli Audio, called the PAL (Portable Audio Laboratory). It uses a 2-inch long-excursion full-range driver and a lot of electronic equalization to force the driver to reproduce a wide frequency range, including audible bass to about 50 Hz. BUT its major limitation is you cannot turn it up loud because the tiny woofer is already moving near the limits of its back-and-forth excursion so as to produce audible bass at a moderate listening level.

The Tivoli Audio PAL was developed by Henry Kloss (the original "K" of KLH), the founder of Advent, who also invented the first domestic video projector. The PAL was based on a high-quality table radio first offered by KLH in the 1960s. The KLH Model One used a slightly larger driver, about 3 inches, and extensive EQ. Kloss was also one of the early partners in Acoustic Reseach in the 1950s with Edgar Villchur, when they developed the first really good relatively compact acoustic suspension speaker that had deep bass output, the AR-1.

The 2-inch woofer in the Tivoli Audio PAL is the smallest driver in a speaker that I'm aware of that has effective bass output. Kloss decided that most listeners would be sitting quite close to the PAL, within a couple of feet, so high volume output wasn't needed. He traded that off for decent bass output at very moderate playback levels.

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alan #262637 06/05/09 04:34 PM
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Wow...looks awesome.

Which center channel would you pair with this?
It has to match the M0 to get an approval for the bedroom setup \:\)

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Avi Deshpande #262640 06/05/09 04:55 PM
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These are meant to be all the same speaker. So the centers and the surround are presumed to be M0s.


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Re: Axiom Launches M0 On-Wall Speaker
Avi Deshpande #262641 06/05/09 05:20 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Avi Deshpande
Wow...looks awesome.

Which center channel would you pair with this?
It has to match the M0 to get an approval for the bedroom setup \:\)

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Avi


The center channel would be another matching wall mounted M0 (along with the surrounds) in either a 5 or 7 speaker setup and can be integrated with as many subwoofers as you wish.


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BlueJays1 #262643 06/05/09 05:46 PM
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i thought so too..but may not look that good around the LCD TV. A horizontal model would have been better..much easier WAF.

BTW, why is it recommended to use sub 175 or 400 but not the 350. any specific reason for that?


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Avi Deshpande #262645 06/05/09 05:55 PM
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They are recommended simply due to their smaller size. Any subwoofer can be used with them.


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BlueJays1 #262660 06/05/09 08:11 PM
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Hey Alan, do you think that 2 of these with a 125 or similar would be a decent replacement for M22s? (not for me)


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Ken.C #262661 06/05/09 08:42 PM
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We also need to take power into account. At 6db less sensitivity (than the M22 and 8db for the M80), you need to beef up the minimum power requirements x4 which might affect the "low cost" aspect. However, they sure are pretty!


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Ken.C #262667 06/05/09 09:53 PM
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Hi Ken,

Yes.

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alan #262673 06/05/09 10:56 PM
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Thanks Alan I get the trade off with power Vs Size or else wearing headphones would require a very strong neck. Also I get that using this configuration for the Audiobyte is fine as you are only at most a couple of feet away. I guess my hesitiation in the marketing of this size format to fill a room at reasonable sound pressure, these trade offs will become much more apparant.

Anyway all of this is from the other side of the world without ever Auditioning the M0's!

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