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Difference in cables....
#277418 11/03/09 06:34 AM
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Hey Guys,

I recently upgraded a lot of gear in my system and I need to "freshen up" my cables. Speaker cables are one thing I always cheaped out on, I figured "its all the same thing". Right ?

I just read some of Alan's " Whats in a cable " article and it was a good read. So I figured since ill be placing an order with Axiom for the QS8's this weekend I might as well check out the cable section on the site and grab about 50 to 75ft of Axiom's bulk speaker cable. At $1.06/ft I thought it was an ok price until I found this 12AWG Monoprice Cable this comes out at .23/ft so besides the fancy ruber finish on the Axiom cable, what makes the Axiom cable almost 5 times the price?

I aint knocking the product here, just trying to understand the difference between the two and where should I put my money.

And heres another interesting read some of you might like
about some DIY Cables I found elsewhere... might test this one also!!

Any info between the Axiom Cable and Mono would be appreaciated!


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ohlavrac #277419 11/03/09 06:41 AM
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The Axiom speaker wire is a fine, high strand count wire that is very supple and flexible, a very nice wire. Monoprice wire is quite a bit stiffer and utilizes much less strands, but you are correct, sound wise there is no difference...... I have both and have flip floped wires and I couldn't hear any difference.

I would suggest if the wire is visible to buy Axiom, it looks really nice with the rubber casing and lays flat like wire should. If the wire is hidden or you do not care if it looks like ordinary speaker wire then buy Monoprice.


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ohlavrac #277422 11/03/09 06:46 AM
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Joe, there's no difference in sound, and to its credit Axiom doesn't claim any. Besides the fancier jacket the Axiom wire is composed of smaller strands and therefore is more flexible. Whether that's worth the difference in price is an individual decision. I use standard lamp cord for all my speaker wiring.


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JohnK #277424 11/03/09 06:56 AM
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Hey Jake/JohnK,

Most of the wire will be hidden... so there isnt much use in spending close to $100 for speaker cable that will be tucked behind the wall unit.

What about this "Resistance per Meter" factor... The Monoprice shows the 12AWG cable at 0.0072ohm and Axiom has it at .00341ohms. Does it change anything ?

And John, you should read that DIY link I posted up if you havent already... its a cool read.


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ohlavrac #277428 11/03/09 07:11 AM
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Those resistance numbers mean very little in the lenghts you would use in a house, basically thay are saying they offer 0 resistance. You would have to have a run of 100m of the Monoprice to have a resistance in the wire near anything that would affect sound quality and about 200m for the Axiom wire.


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jakewash #277429 11/03/09 07:16 AM
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cool. then i'm sold with the Monoprice.

Then again, shipping is a pain with Mono, theres always duty fee's on anything over $20 US and UPS LOVES slapping on hefty charges!! So it might cost me and extra $15 to $25 for a nicer and more flexible cable on a 70-100ft run.

Guess I have time to think it over \:\)

Thanks guys!


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ohlavrac #277430 11/03/09 07:27 AM
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Joe, the Axiom number is per foot, not meter. Standard 12ga copper wire has a resistance of about .003 ohms per foot, and both of these are around that, with some differences in measurement being unexplained(and unimportant).


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JohnK #277448 11/03/09 02:35 PM
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Thanks Jon!

I just checked out monoprice with shipping info and all other extras and i'm looking at approx $80-$90 for 100ft. I might as
well get the Axiom cable for an extra $15.

Can I run the Axiom in-wall ? I didnt notice anything CL2 rated. The cable would be in-wall for about 6ft for the surrounds, should that cause an issue ?


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ohlavrac #277451 11/03/09 02:40 PM
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Axiom has in-wall cables. They have a white coating.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/in-wall-audio-cable.html


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EFalardeau #277492 11/03/09 06:56 PM
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I do not believe I have ever noticed the bulk in-wall wire from Axiom, but it is only 14 gauge, not a big deal, it is better than the 16-18 gauge wire the 'pro' company just ran in my new house I appear to have failed to state I wanted at least 14 gauge, prefferably 12 for my speaker wire runs, all well, at least they are short runs and I can pull thicker wire at a later time if I want.


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