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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
dakkon #310905 06/20/10 01:24 PM
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If the intent for the proposed VP160 is to complement the M60 first and foremost, then I would think the combination of having the woofers to the outside and the tweeter and mid in the central position with the tweeter above the mid would likely be the best combo. As Tom implied, it will probably call for a slightly boxier cabinet with a wider baffle so I'm not sure if this would be desirable or not. The other alternative would be woofers to the outside with the tweet and mid mounted slightly diagonal to each other in the centre. Ideally, you might want a mid on each side of the tweeter but then it almost becomes a VP180 (with only 1 tweet difference). Several different combos to consider....


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
dakkon #310906 06/20/10 01:37 PM
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With WT^MW configuration the cabinet obviously will have to re-designed. However this will allow more choice when choosing a center speaker whether an individual wants a wider and slimmer centre (VP150/VP180) or a more "stocky" centre. This trade off in choice between the long/slim form factor and the short/tall of a possible VP160 will also allow greater placement given any room.

Not only does the WT^MW (ported) configuration use the exact same drivers as the M60 , I would imagine it would also have a good, smooth on and off-axis response as well come close to the sonic qualities, power handling and extension of the M60 tower that owners love.

Even at the extra added cost involved in designing a new cabinet, and the cost involved being more than a single M60 tower, I still believe this design will garner great interest from a lot of individuals - both current and future.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
BlueJays1 #310908 06/20/10 03:09 PM
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Personally, I think the 5 1/4" midrange is part of the Axiom magic. I'm not nearly as fond of the 4" midrange in the QS4s, although mine are probably tis, not v2s, and certainly not of the current lineup. Of course, when I mentioned this to Ian, he kind of laughed and said it was more about the crossovers and matching the drivers to them than in the drivers themselves.

I think to match the M60s, you need the same size drivers, though.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
Ken.C #310909 06/20/10 03:17 PM
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Either way with the 4" or 5 and 1/4" inch drivers as the midrange you would need to design a new cabinet with the WT^MW config. Since the concept is a M60 centre, the single 5 and 1/4" midrange would make the most sense.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
BlueJays1 #310910 06/20/10 03:36 PM
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With using a smaller driver like the 4" there a certain physics that you can't overcome though. One thing to note as well as providing a linear response, excellent on and off-axis performance with special emphasis on the speech discrimination band (which as human beings we are most critical to). You also want to include in the design as close to the power handling and bottom end extension of the M60 as well.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
BlueJays1 #310911 06/20/10 03:52 PM
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For those of us that have built our cabinets for the width of a vp150, it would be nice if the 160 was the same width of a 150 but just taller. Also if its a ported design front ports would be nice so we didn't need to worry about rear clearance. \:\)

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turbo16v #310914 06/20/10 04:31 PM
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 Originally Posted By: turbo16v
For those of us that have built our cabinets for the width of a vp150, it would be nice if the 160 was the same width of a 150 but just taller.

Yet there will be people who can go wider, but not taller.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
MarkSJohnson #310916 06/20/10 05:33 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Yet there will be people who can go wider, but not taller.

Mostly junk food, I think.


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
Adrian #310917 06/20/10 05:43 PM
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Personally I think the perfect match for M60s is a VP180, but that's just me...


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Re: VP160 Concept Discussion
MarkSJohnson #310930 06/20/10 09:54 PM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
 Originally Posted By: turbo16v
For those of us that have built our cabinets for the width of a vp150, it would be nice if the 160 was the same width of a 150 but just taller.

Yet there will be people who can go wider, but not taller.


Yea that's the vp155 ;\)

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