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LOL You sure do. Although he looked very intrigued by that boxes he has never seen on his life. LOL He started chuckling when he brought the huge EP350 box. I wonder the size of the EP800.

40 hz sounds a little low for the m22's... maybe try it at 80 and see if you notice a difference in sound. If I'm not mistaken, you can turn the crossover setting higher without effecting the audyssey results. Also, try turning audyseey OFF completely after calibration and see what you think. I find that my system sounds much better without it. I have tried to re-run it several times and have never been pleased with the results.

Many people love audyssey but I think axiom has generally recommended against it.

Also,

Keep in mind that there are two separate places that you make changes to the crossover settings for the mains in the denon (One for surround and one for stereo.)

I will check that out on the manual. Thanks

Yeah I forget the exact details but I think the two locations are as follows:

to adjust the crossover for surround use during movies: Manual setup> crossover frequency. Try setting the FL and FR to 80 HZ.

For the Stereo setting it is not under manual setup. I believe it is in Audio Setup->2Ch direct/stereo->crossover. See what they are both set at and try moving up to 80 hz if they are not already there.

Thanks! I am gonna try that. Do you know what could be the reason Audissey is setting them on 40 HZ?

Ichigo, that +3.5 looks better than -12(remember though, there's no "gain" knob, it's a volume control). You said in an earlier post that you had the impression that the sub wasn't a separate sound, just part of the whole picture. That's the way that it's supposed to be: when correctly calibrated the impression should be that the sub isn't working but the speakers are putting out more bass. I have mine calibrated that way, but many want to run their sub several dBs "hot" so that they can "hear" what they've paid good money for.

I guess I am used to crap sub. LOL

After moving the sub to a position in front of me it helped on the boomy bass I got when set them on the corner but I guess mid bass is still the same. Or at least no change perceived.

If you’re not able to find a place in the room where you get smooth bass, both the mid-bass punch and s deep rumble but not boomy then I think it’s most likely the acoustics of your room. I have the same problem as it sounds like you are having. In order to get the mid-bass punch I like for things like cannons and most music I have to turn my subwoofer up so high that the lower bass is overpowering and boomy.

Here is a graph of my EP500s response in my room. Note that the normal frequency response of the EP500 is flat but because of room modes caused by the sound reflecting around the room it looks like this. See the before graph:

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthre...true#Post306124

You can see that there is a large peak in the low bass and a bigger dip in part of the mid-bass region. And this is with the EP500 in the best location I could find. No amount of repositioning or room treatments can help this much because these modes will be excited no matter where I put the subwoofer. Just some places are a little better or worse than others.

If you look at the after graph you can see how much flatter the frequency response is. Now I can have both a deep bass rumble and mid-bass punch w/o the deep bass overpowering everything else. (well at least till Charles wants his EQ1 back or Sean buys a “real computer” ).

If it turns out that the room is the problem the best possible two ways to deal with it are to try out dual subwoofers. IMO this is the best option since it should help even out the bass across all seats. Though be aware that it doesn’t always work as in my case of an “L” shaped room.

The other option which I’m using in the other thread is using EQ. the problem with EQ is that is really only works well for one spot. Although some EQ systems like Audyssey (the SVS AS-EQ1 uses a version of it) purport to work over multiple seats they really work best when used only for one seat. Not that they can’t help over multiple seat but sometimes they can make one seat better while making another one worse.

Some people use room treatments but for frequencies 200Hz and below they start becoming very large and also less effective as the frequency drops.

I’m not saying that it’s time for you to consider going one of these routes since I think you could tinker with your setup for some time just to make sure you can’t find a satisfactory position and setting for your subwoofer and receiver.

Cheers,
Dean