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I did not vote either. I have M80's paired with an SVS sub. I agree with bdpf it depends on what I'm listening to, what kind of mood I might be in ![grin grin](/boards/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif) a lot of variables are involved, CDs, Vinyl, SACDs, how much coffee I've consumed! But thinking back on my listening sessions lately most have been without the subwoofer being incorporated, or in the case of 5.1 SACDs the sub is used in a recombine setup via an Outlaw ICBM. Oh-oh! I'm starting to ramble again so....
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... I find the subwoofer to inconsistent as I move around the house. +1. Same here. If I'm a 1/2 floor away, such as when using the tread mill, then all I can hear is the bass from the sub-woofer, so I turn it off.
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I don't find I need a sub with my M80's. Actually, I have the sub turned off when listing in STEREO mode. The M80's give me all the bottom end I need.
I suppose if you are listening to Hip Pop or as Alan said Pipe organ, it could add a subtle enhancement.
For my EP500 I have to be careful not to run it too hot if I have it on for music. Too much EP500 for music does not sound natural. However, this is usually not the case for movies.
Remember, much of this can depend on your room characteristics and seating position.
paul
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I listen to mostly rock along the lines of groups sounding like Coldplay, U2, Switchfoot etc. Given the above, I voted no value. Most rock will have no bass below 40Hz. and the M80s reach below that.
Fred
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Kord, no vote, but my thought would be inclined toward no higher than "not much". If you're not going to listen to symphonic or other music with very low bass from instruments such as pipe organs or large bass drums, there's very little that the M80 doesn't cover well. On the type of music that you mention the lowest "standard" instrument note would be 41.2Hz on a double bass. I've found in my room that even the M22 can give usable, although low, output there. The M80 should be fully satisfactory.
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I'm seeing more and more 5 string basses in rock bands now. That low B goes down to 30.87 Hz.
The poll needs a "depends on what you're listening to" choice. For most things I prefer no sub. Even when turned down, I find that the sub makes most things too boomy. There are however, some songs where the sub is an absolute must have. For instance, on AKUS live Disc 1, Track 12 "Forget about it" When the electric upright kicks in, the EP 500 makes the room vibrate without being boomy; sort of a goose bump moment. The M80's just don't give that same feel. Yet on the same disc, Track 9, "Stay" with a standard upright bass, the EP500 makes it sound boomy.
Of course, this is in my room, YMWY.
As others have said, for movies a good sub is a must.
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Sounds to me like a lot of it has to do with your music selection, your taste, and your room. Interesting conversation. Man, I better stop posting now, I like being 'buff' ![wink wink](/boards/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Here is an interesting story from the Friday night of the anniversary weekend:
After the dinner was done and the bar staff was sick of us, Jakeman invited people to his "cottage". When we arrived, he mentioned he had just received a pair of M80 V3's.
When they were set up, the assembled crowd listened intently. At one point the massive sub was turned off. While you could hear the difference it made in some pieces of music, it was by no means needed.
At different points, people wandered over to the sub to make sure it was off!!! The bass was that strong from the M80's alone.
Those in attendance, feel free to chime in!
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I have run for a while my M3 and my EP350 as stereo mode and since i have my M80, i can tell you i have rediscover all my music in the bass departement.
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Here is an interesting story from the Friday night of the anniversary weekend:
After the dinner was done and the bar staff was sick of us, Jakeman invited people to his "cottage". When we arrived, he mentioned he had just received a pair of M80 V3's.
When they were set up, the assembled crowd listened intently. At one point the massive sub was turned off. While you could hear the difference it made in some pieces of music, it was by no means needed.
At different points, people wandered over to the sub to make sure it was off!!! The bass was that strong from the M80's alone.
Those in attendance, feel free to chime in! This is a good point, when we were on Ian's dock a couple of weeks ago, he had a live band going through just M80's, no Sub, atleast none that I could see. And it sounded just awsome!
paul
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