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That's actually a very good and valid point. Since I am happy with my SVS, I haven't paid any attention subwoofer prices for a good couple of years. But because of this thread, I poked around a bit. I was surprised to find that SVS's prices are now about on par with Axiom's. At the time, I went with SVS because their bang-for-the-buck quotient was better than Axiom's. Now, on 'paper' anyway, SVS has lost that advantage. It'd be a much harder decision today, EP500 vs SVS...

Interesting points on the Emo subs. But do keep in mind that these are ~$400 subs. SVS doesn't make subs at these prices (anymore), and equivalently-priced HSU subs have similarly 'mild' 20-25hz performance. Look at the STF-2 or the maybe the VTF-1. Or look at Axiom's EP-125. It's pretty much done by 30hz too.

I don't disagree that Emo's 12"-cone sub ought to do better, and there are better values out there. But for a <$500 sub, I think this is pretty much what you get.

I'm not sure what the current pricing is, but ~2 years ago the Paradigm DSP series of subs were also a great performer for the money. They were in the ~$700 range back then depending on which model you decided on.

I bought my DSP3400 for $700 two years ago, could have had it for $680 a couple months prior to that, but I pro-ca...per crast-in.....I thought about it for too long and the price went up.

The 3200 was about $150 less, and the 3100 another $100+.

You'd be looking at more than that now unless you find some kind of sale or clearout, I would think.

I can guaranty you the Hsu STF-2 will have very strong performance in the 20-25HZ range. I've owned 2 of the old VTF-2 subs and the had very respectable 20 HZ output.

OK, so you get to voice the character in the next "Transformers" movie.

Anybody notice how the Emo sub spanked the more expensive Axiom EP400 in that review? The EP400 seems like a misplaced product IMO. The 500 is so much better for just a tad more money and really not much of a bigger box than a 400.

Not really, what sub was compared and who did the test?

A quick google search found an Audioholics article. It is interesting since the recent Axiom/Audioholics situation that Gene picked what he did. Anyway, even thought the EP400 has DSP it still is an 8" sub, compared to the Emo 12" sub, not really a fair apples to apples comparison.

Umm the review focused on similar sized subs so who cares how big the woofer is. His focus seemed to be on smallish subs. He still praised the Axiom despite it was at a significant output disadvantage to the Emo sub that sells for 1/3 the price. To me, he was almost too kind to Axiom in that light.

I still want to see how the SVS SB-12NSD compares to the Emo. My guess is the SVS will have more output below 30Hz than the Emo based on the spec comparison and SVS's reputation for giving the most extension per dollar.

Order both and report back to us.

no need since I am already a happy EP600 owner though I do have a desire to upgrade to an SVS PB12-Plus DSP. Now I'd love to see a 3rd party comparison with measurements of those two babies