Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's
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Well....that ought to spark another round of newbie "Bright" questions/accusations.
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Odd that the reviewer used the 'b' word, but also stated that his own measurements didn't back up the percieved brightness.
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The chart on page 4 makes the speaker look too bassey and too bright. I wonder where this chart came from? It doesn't say how they came up with it, or what the room it was like where they did measurements. Perhaps the listening room was far from optimal.
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Yes, Adrian; the upper mid-range/lower treble where any "brightness" in program material or equipment lives(not the relatively insignificant top octave), was excellent, confirming Axiom and NRC measurements, plus most user reports.
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That's +/-3dB, so not really. It's just really zoomed in.
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The biggest issue I see with that measurement (on-axis) in his room is the big mid-bass hump relative to midrange between 80hz - 500hz (part of the vocal region). That could cause unnutural, "fat" and "chesty" sounding vocals on a lot of recordings.
Keep in perspective that is an incomplete set of measurements we are talking about here and I assume taken in his room.
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Seriously, it's <3dB. That ain't nuffin. If it had been a standard, zoomed out graph, it wouldn't look so dramatic.
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I wonder why he "had" to pull the speakers so far out from the wall to get an "acceptable" bass response?
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They have rear ports so placement from the wall is something you just have to play with each room. Not a big deal unless your room is small - listening distance is short.
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Hi all,
The bass hump is bizarre, not supported by Axiom's own anechoic measurements or double-blind listening tests, which I've done on the M60 v3. BB's measurements are in-room, which are fraught with problems, so the measured bass hump is an artifact of Brent's room and speaker placement.
As to the brightness comment, I also find that peculiar; on the other hand, Sound & Vision magazine does not do double-blind or blind listening tests, so psychological bias will always play a huge role.
I've known Brent Butterworth, the reviewer, for 20 years. Reading other speaker reviews of his, it seems he's impressed by glitzy design. Or perhaps he was bending over backwards to show he wasn't biased by our collegial friendship. Who the hell knows? I can't figure it out.
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