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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
terzaghi #342894 03/23/11 02:33 AM
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That room did turn out awesome.

I would flip the 180 to see if the angled side on the bottom works better this should throw the center sound more upward and not directly out.

DTS runs the sound effects hot, have him try DD as well just to see if that helps.

Does your Brother run the PB 13 in 20hz mode? I have mine tuned to 15hz(1 port plugged) and it is great to have that extra little bit of rumble.


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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
jakewash #342899 03/23/11 03:14 AM
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He runs it in 20hz mode since the room is fairly large and that's the way we were able to eliminate a large peak around 50hz.

I believe the VP180 is already on the angled side.

And yes, the room is awesome.

I don't want to sound like he doesn't like his Axiom speakers. He loves them. We're just trying to sort out a few minor issues. I just notice that my system in a smaller room tends to have better dialog performance and I never have to adjust the center level.

I have a VP100
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I also run it in Prologic II so maybe we'll try that as well. Thanks for the suggestions!

Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342901 03/23/11 03:20 AM
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I want to see more pix of the ceiling!

Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342902 03/23/11 03:23 AM
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I would begin by listening to the center channel only with no calibration. I would want to know if it is the speaker or its interaction with the system. I would also try the speaker in that manner in a different location to make sure it wasn't interacting negatively in the original room position.

If the speaker sounds articulate on its own, then I would move forward with system integration.


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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
INANE #342917 03/23/11 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: INANE
I want to see more pix of the ceiling!


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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342957 03/23/11 05:20 PM
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The blue glow is my favorite part



Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342972 03/23/11 07:20 PM
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Autoboy,

First off, where is the VP180? From the photo, there seems to be a big console-like box below the screen. Is the VP180 concealed inside another enclosure (something I always advise against). If it's inside another enclosure, remove it and have it operating in free space. This is the first complaint I've ever received concerning dialogue intelligibility with the Axiom VP180; normally with this center, it's never an issue. By the way, "combing" is not related to dialog clarity.

Instead of "resorting" to turning up the center level, view it as a huge advantage, and don't overly rely on auto calibration systems. Many movies have the dialogue recorded at low levels with over-emphasis of surround and subwoofer effects. (I've been present at Hollywood soundtrack mixing sessions and noted how the dialogue is sometimes too quiet relative to the music/effects tracks.) So turn up the dialogue track if you can't hear it easily. Or reduce the subwoofer level. dts seems to mix the subwoofer track too hot on many effects movies and that will overwhelm dialogue.

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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
alan #342983 03/23/11 08:55 PM
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The VP180 is sitting on top of of the SVS PB13 Ultra. It is angled up slightly but not by much. You can see the drivers through the acoustic cloth. The enclosure it is sitting in is completely open front back and sides. The only obstruction is the small amount of framing for the cloth and the decorative element below the center channel.

the enclosure is just there to hide the sub and center since they don' t look nice in open space. The VP180 is much wider than the sub.

Sounds like we need to switch to DD Prologic IIx

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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342984 03/23/11 09:19 PM
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So there is some type of enclosure. I do not like the sound of the "extra framing and decorative element", all of which could cause defraction effects that may inhibit clarity and dispersion.

At least remove it from the special enclosure to try it on its own, as it was intended to be used.

Alan


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Re: Dialog Inteligibility with VP180
autoboy #342985 03/23/11 09:21 PM
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I would try to listen without the acoustic cloth, you never know...

Edit: Alan was faster smile

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