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'whackadoodle"

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I'm glad OBL is dead, I think he got what he deserves. However, I don't think the celebration on the streets and the U-S-A chants are appropriate. The reality is that most of those people on the street are uneducated people that have no clue of what's going on. All they know is that 10 years ago there was 9/11, since then they've been looking for OSB cause he needs to pay, that "american" soldiers died in Afghanistan and Irak and that the US being the most powerful country in the world accomplished its mission.
Yes, 9/11 was horrible, yes they should have gone after OSB, yes 3000+ US citizens died that day by the hand of Al Qaeda, but what people seem to easily forget is that it took the US 10 years to find him, destroyed 2 countries in the meantime and how many innocent men, women and child died by their hand in the process, thousands! The thing that bothers me is that the US only counts the casualties that they suffer, for the rest, I guess sh*t happens (CNN is a very good example of that).
I mean, they were right going to Afghanistan to look for him but not to completely destroy everything and leave the people worst than what they were before. A couple of years later, they can't find him, the people start asking questions so what do they do, they take their eyes off the objective and distract people's mind by giving them a new enemy, Sadam and his weapons of mass destruction. When they couldn't find them, to not look stupid, they say that they went to free the people (how cliche is that!), meanwhile another country is destroyed and 8 years later, the people is not in a better situation than it was before, just different people being oppressed by different oppressors. Throughout history, many countries had their revolutions without nobody's help, that's just the way it is supposed to be, Iraq would have overthrown their government in their own time, just like many countries did. Who is the US to decide who should be free and when? I guess if Iraq would grow carrots instead of oil the Iraqi people would still be oppressed. Why doesn't the US decided to go free the people from North Korea, it's not like they are in any better situation that the people from Iraq...

All of this to say that yes, I believe that OBL got what he deserved but this celebration by these people that are basically celebrating their ignorance and reassuring themselves that they're living in a country made of good that vanquished evil is just wrong. This reinforces the typical american stereotype same as comments like these:

I mean, this looks like it has been taken from a Hollywood movie!

So yes, 9/11 was horrible, but celebration is not appropriate when the US's quest for justice has cost thousands of innocent lives and for me, an innocent child is an innocent child no matter its nationality.

I'm no expert in war or history, this is just my opinion on the whole thing.

This is my point... aren't "we" better than that?



A million, at the hands of the U.S. huh... I say B.S!

Yes, though I do not complete agree with Ukiah's opinions, I respect them along with his right to express them. I do wish he, and others, would express them without the heated, personal insults.

As for me, I am relieved and pleased that someone as evil as OBL is no longer among us. I feel his removal was justifiable and necessary. However, on an intellectual level, I am not entirely comfortable with rejoicing over anyone's death, even someone as evil as OBL. I would like to be more civilized than that, more civilized than they are.

So, you would not find me out in the streets celebrating. The celebrations remind me too much of the celebrations in the Middle East just after 9/11. Of course, one might find it mitagating that those in the Middle East were celebrating the deaths of more than 3000 innocent people while those here are celebrating the death of one, truly evil man. So, though I do not sanction the celebrations, I do not condemn them either. But, I am not interested in being a participant.

Innocent people, children included, die in every war. The US did not carpet bomb Iraq or Afghanistan. Many innocent people died nonetheless.

They all be G-d's chillun. No question about it. Maybe someday there will be no more war. In the meantime, confused as it may be, some wars you have to fight. WWII case in point.

The Taliban had to be destroyed, even if it was a creation of Pakistan's ISI and maybe the US as well. No sane person would say that the people of Afghanistan were better off under the cruel oppression of the Taliban unless after it all, the Taliban return and take over again.

Iraq, well, the major intelligence services of the nations thought Saddam and his Arab National Socialist tyranny were acquiring weapons of mass destruction. If we had known, Saddam was a bluffer, or that he already moved his biochem weapons to Syria, then with benefit of hindsight it was a mistake to invade Iraq. That's not to say that Saddam was not a monster who threatened world peace. It is only to say, that by removing Saddam, the West delivered Iraq to Iran, worse monsters who really are acquiring nuclear weapons.

In any case, I think it is sad that Pakistan hid Osama bin Laden for almost 10 years. We might have avoided a lot of pain had we found him and killed him a long time ago.

In the meantime, as to Osama Bin Laden, his supporters, allies and friends, may they all rot in hell.

We are in complete agreement, Jack. I do believe Ukiah shot himself in the foot with this personal attacks and profanity, despite espousing non-violent methods of fixing the world.

Though it DOES feel good to indulge oneself by just letting all that vitriol pour out, it sort of destroys the illusion of even trying to be even handed and fair doesn't it. Personally, when the bile comes spilling out, their arguments don't seem to carry much weight anymore.

I agree with you inane, I say, B.S., as to the slander that we took the lives of a million people in Iraq.

I don't equate the celebration that swept from Jersey City to Jedda on 9/11. The "street" celebrated the murders of more than 3,000 infidels at the hands of Islamic Jihadists because they understood they were at war with us and that they hurt us badly. They caused our towers to fall. That is a celebration of evil triumphing over innocence.

Last night, thousands celebrated the just execution of one of the master minds of that attack on the US, western civilization and the world of non-Muslims. Immature? Who am I to say? Evil? No. The same thing as the celebration of Islamic Jihadist terrorists' successful attack and mass murder of Americans? No.

Ezra Levant is a hero for standing up to the politically correct (and often profane) anti free speech nut-bars.

Dundas, you right there!! Ezra Levant is not a racist, he is a hero for standing up against the Thought Police who have criminalized free speech which offends Muslims in Canada.