Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Ok, you got $12K to spend ......

Now that I know your room size 2 SB2000s would even be enough. My room will be a little bigger than yours and I expect my 2 to still be more than enough. My old room was 12x17x8 and they were silly good. I wonder about the pluses but cant afford them till well after immersive upgrades.

I agree with TAM. Once you get stuff you like and your setup where its tuned properly you should resist the urge to start over. The merry go round will leave you broke long before being perfect!

Alternately, you can contact rives audio or the like and buy an acoustical analysis package. Then you can know without question when you are done you are really getting every drop out. Then you will have a real deal reference system. Lucky!

I would rather have two ch for music as wel and have been quite enthralled with M100's. I have 7.1, (4) QS8, ep150, vp150.

Did you see the qs4's locally on kijiji $75 (with a VP-50centre) ......if in good shape that's fair.....also v3 VP 180 at refurb store......but sounds like you maybe at a crossroads with your future home theatre decisions ......
This hobby is great.....but can /will drive u nuts at times ,as well.....
Maybe time to start demoing other speakers if your on the fence at all ( nothin worse than buyers remorse) there are others offering free in home trial as well ( just have to be careful of return shipping $)
before you make any large( $$$$) decisions
Best of luck Troy and keep us updated

yeh, I just want the final system be right. I was looking at Paradigm Studio 100' the cc690 and ADP came to 12K maybe pushing the limit.

Not really caring about finish a lot. Why ???? there in a darken room anyways. However, having the Main in a nice Cherry gloss would be nice. Thinking, maybe M80 HP in a Cherry veneer HG finish. Then the VP180 ,subs and rears can be the normal black, They can even be Factory Outlet. Would leave a few extra for subs ...JL E112 in dual would be nice.

Yes, that's another option just stay with the version 3 and build up from there. I want that new Anthem AVM60

Thinking if I forgo the sports car in a few years I can put a addition on the house make it a nice movie room 15 x 21. But , will see then.

TroyD, I wanted to comment on a point you made with Axiom pricing itself with the competition. I agree. I am in the same boat with you starting over and I am also doing a 7.2.4 with 4 in-ceiling speakers. A few years ago Axiom would have been my defacto choice however given the price increases I have expanded my search to a number of other companies out there some of which have already been mentioned.

As of now the best part about Axiom, in my opinion and ignoring their great customer service, is the custom finishes which is huge for WAF. If I do go back to Axiom then that would be the overriding factor. The custom paint match I did with my former surrounds was great.

Hi,
Yes I saw those qs and the VP50 but there too old. I see the VP180 and am thinking about it. Not, sure but I may take it as a temp situation as watching movies in stereo is getting to me. Volumn up , volumn down, volumn up and it goes in circles.
My problem is I really want to go somewhere within the next few years with this. Pretty sure I am grabbing that new AVM 60 in a few years. SO, I want the speakers done by then. What I need to decide at this point is the V4 worth the upgrade, or shall I say $2000 - $2500 worth. I will go to HP. Most of the other speaker lines are actually at this point , in this price range. I will want Veneer finish for sure for the Front L/R and in a HG finish. The rest I will have to get from the Factory outlet in black too. That said I spend that much wwwhynot look at Paradigm Studio's ( I guess Prestige now ) Salk, B&W, Monitor Audio Silver, etc. However, if I am going to upgrade a few grand more would going the extra $1000 for the next best line be worth that.

MrSpeed

Yes, before I wouldn't think twice or even look. I know Axiom has every right to price as they see fit and a decent margin of profit. I do realize they control there own driver quality etc. everything is built in house in Canada. However, a few years ago a set of M80 were like $1380. Paradigm Studio 60's $1999 besides the fact there was no comparison Axiom to me is the better speaker. But, when you went to the Studio 100 they were the better speaker. However, priced at $2995. Not $1600 better. Now if I want a HP80 it still $1000 less and maybe just maybe not $1000 better, but the finish is better so maybe that would tilt it a bit. However, if I get veneer finish in M80 it is closer to the same price. If I get a M100 then they are the same price.

Still thinking Axiom though still a good deal.
Seriously thinking M80 HP in Cherry Veneer HG with the VP180 or 160 and QS8's in black from factory outlet.
I am thinking of JL Audio F112 in dual. Found a site that sells them as liquidated products around $3000 ea. But, then again got to still wonder if that extra $2000 is worth it over say SVS Ultra subs.

I know I said my room was going to be 12 x 17 but am thinking in a few years I may just build on a addition and go 15x 23

The limiting factor will be your playback environment. The question of "is X worth $2000 more than Y" is no for most people. To really get that upper tier performance acoustics becomes very important. Acoustics not as in absorbers (which everyone assumes encompasses acoustics in a nutshell) but EVERYTHING sound based.

I'd suggest you first invest in research, and buy a solid resource book like this:

http://www.amazon.ca/Handbook-Sound-Studio-Construction-Recording/dp/007177274X

It will teach you everything you need to know and more in plain language. It covers everything from a sound reproduction focus. The title is misleading, it is not solely for recording booths at all. There is a chapter dedicated to home theater design and every other facet of construction (including acoustic assesment, treatment use and construction.)

It is not solely construction based either, they use the term construction loosely. I would term their use as "creating" more than "constructing." Many of the room plans and methods are based off any existing domestic space. This book would benefit anyone who is interested in the goals you are presenting. You would likely never have to build a bigger room (unless you want to fit more seats.)

Its $30 that stopped me from googling what to buy and what to do questions.... ending up in forums and reading 20 answers from opposing viewpoints. Most of whom do not have a clue of what they are talking about and regurgitate what they read in other posts. (Not here usually, before anyone gets upset.)

Awesome great thanks
$30 is better than spend an extra $2000 I may not need and also on room/addition costs.

I guess also, one has to think where does this stop. I just got the M80v3 a year ago, well actually a couple years ago lol wow.
I know listening in music in my current living room if the bottom end was just a little more thump to it. Also, just seems that the sound starts to distort. I know in Version 4 they say the bottom end is a bit more smoother and doesn't compress and easily. Crossover change, tweeter and the HP drivers.
but, I wonder really can I heard the difference in the upper end. I believe the tweeter is better at like 10k .... I'm not sure I can hear 10k sound lol.
This mids is where I find the sound starts to break down.

I wonder, it is better now that I have a Anthem AVM30 whereas last month I had a HK AVR340 as the pre/pro.
I wonder, also if I were to have a MRX510 or the new AVM60 and run ARC ( similar to Audessey ) to eq if it would help that.

I know room treatments will also help a lot.

Maybe I am looking way into this too much. The Anthem line when you run ARC it allows multiple settings. I could have say for music 2.2 and just dial down the subs just enough to give me that extra thump I want. Then when for movies just run it at the volume level ARC says.
I'm getting the subs anyways, maybe in the end the sound difference between the v4 and v3 will be moot.
I could put that extra money into sound treatments, and the better pre/pro Anthems D2v or newer model at the time.

That said with Atmos or DLPIIZ I may need to buy another couple of MCA30. But, then again, @$1500 x 2 plus and extra $1000 for ceiling speakers is it really going to be worth it.
I think not, I think the most I want is probably front heights. But, then again here we go $650 for two QS8's and I would require a MCA20 @ $1000 used. Are front Heights worth $2000 ????

It was easier 6 months ago, I was going to buy a used Porsche for my 55th lol then decided I'd get my theatre