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Put Tom at the head of each line?

It already exists. It's called a stun gun. It can zap you here or there, or anywhere. And yeah, it'd be EXCELLENT for brewery lines; all lines, really.

The reason minimonitors remain relevant (even in the market where towers dominate) is their ability to dissapear and provide a stunning soundstage. This is an easier feat for them as they usually have smaller drivers and do not load the room as towers can. This means timing cues and the usual bump around 2khz fool us into thinking the speakers image better than towers. They just dont interact with the room as much, so we can pick up on important spatial cues.

I think from memory your room is pretty well treated. I would try the cold, hard, dry, math method and see where it gets you.

Here is where you can find an explanation on how, if you wanna try it. Too lazy to write another post explaining.

https://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php/topics/413973/Speaker_Placement#Post413973

The system is starting to "bloom" with the addition of a second subwoofer. The bass has evened out & the "slam" is still there. Proof of success? My wife now sits beside me on the couch to listen frequently! (Of course, it helps that I bribe her with a back-scratch while she does).

I've been having friends and neighbors drop by to hear the system. Most have commented that it's the best they've heard. They also ask about the Axiom M80s...

For movies, I'm using the Axiom 100 center which works well with the M80s for the front. The rears & sides are a combination of Infinity & Klipsch products (whatever I could find at yard sales...). But the thing that most comment the most about for movies is the picture. My Epson 1050e projector (calibrated with Spears & Muncil disc) shows the value of a high-contrast screen! Most have commented that the video is "as good as or better than the local iMax." I'll take that as high praise.

Right now, I'm using a Yamaha RX-A3050 receiver. For movies, it's awesome, but for 2.2 stereo, the analog rig works better. My buddy keeps trying to persuade me to return to an analog front end, but I'm addicted to the convenience of streaming (JRiver via DNLA & Tidal via the Oppo app).

So now to the big question... Christmas is coming. Since I already run dual subwoofers below 60 Hz., is there any potential benefit to going from my M80s to a pair of M100s?

Obviously, the M100s will have more ultimate volume capability, but I don't play loudly anyway & am questioning whether there's any "better" to be had. My audio BFF says that the M80s, for my room & my use, are already "ultimates."

Your opinions?

Thanks - Boomzilla

If it can be accommodated, I would be looking to upgrade the center speaker.

I agree with Mark. As long as you are listening with subs in the mix, you will not hear any difference. With most music, I can't tell the difference between the M80s on their own and the M80 + sub.

Another vote to the center channel.
As you already have enough power to even phantom over your Vp100
with the 80s. Get something with enough force to stand up with them.
I my self have a VP160 paired with my M80s.
The first thought I had when hooked up the Vp160 was HOLY the sound stage was huge. Though I went from a klipsch C20 from 2012
before I even knew of Axiom, the difference was huge.

Thanks, amigos! May I address the two issues separately:

As to the "can't tell the difference between the M80s on their own and the M80 + sub," my experience is the polar opposite. In my (relatively large) room, the first 15" sub made a "night-and-day" difference in bass. Although the M80s would go to 32 Hz, they couldn't energize the room at that frequency. In short, they lacked authority. Adding the sub made the bass sound far more "real." Adding a second sub smoothed the response and made the bass sound even more natural.

I don't listen loudly, so it wasn't an issue of "more" bass. Instead, it was an issue of control and veracity. The subs DEFINITELY add lots to my M80s.

As to the center being "insufficient," I've actually HAD the VP-160 in my system. It wasn't bad, but for some reason the little VP-100 seems to match the voicing of my M80s better in my room. Perhaps it's because I DON'T listen loudly, but dialogue is clearer and the pans during movies seem smoother with the little VP-100. Go figure...

In many rooms, and/or at higher volumes, the bigger center channel might be the way to go, but for my room, the smaller speaker is the better fit.

Boomzilla