Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater Dual EP800 vs SVS Ultra 16

Chesser, subs for me have been the most puzzling piece of the audio game. I have a used Yammie sub I bought for $100 and a more than 20 year old Sony sub I picked up at London Drugs for about the same price. Both of those deliver satisfying slam but I'm sure the slam I'm hearing is the non-linearity Axiom struggles so hard to avoid. Now I know non-linearity is not good as a general principle in engineering but damn I like it when I get punched in the chest and can still feel deep, pulsating bass. BTW, these cheaper subs can't deliver the deep, neighborhood-saturating bass my EP60PV2 does but they are satisfying nonetheless.

I'll be able to advise you better after I get my 800. It's encountered a weather delay in Ontario and won't get here tomorrow.

I know this is sacrilege for Ian but maybe he needs to have multiple modes for his DSP subs: linear, earth pulsator and chest punch. Linear would be the flat response he strives so hard to achieve, earth pulsator bumps the response below 22 Hz and chest punch bumps the response between 40 to 60 Hz.

I think it was said somewhere on here all the reviews are old. The product coming out of Axiom today is not the same design as 7 years ago. The cabinets have been stiffened with multiple window braces, nuts hold the drivers on, the crossovers are higher quality and better integrated with the driver characteristics, midranges have a much improved baffle, the HP drivers are more linear, the v4 tweeters are a sheer joy to listen to even at very loud listening levels, speakers have been optimized based on their family of curves, the subs have all been re-done including the amps. The bottom line in all of this is that Axiom understands its product now better than ever and I'm pretty positive the v4 line is as optimized as it can be within current architecture. Active crossovers now is the natural progression.

There's some real engineering talent there now. The Bryston relationship I'm sure has really helped because they can all hold each other accountable which ultimately results in better product. None of the improvements made were easy or cheap to effect by the way.

Thanks Craig for your take. Your perspective matches mine, based off how much I've lurked avs and audioholics forum boards these past 5 years. (A very unhealthy amount of lurking at that)

And thanks mojo too!

It's happening regardless like I mentioned in the first post, but basically didn't want to be buying off pure bias for my love of axiom

My loyalty discount was just processed...and makes it even sweeter to buy a sub now

I currently have two Cerwin Vega subwoofers. Nothing crazy. They were given to me.

I like the idea of an ep500 that matches the system I have.

The waf definitely matters lol


I promised not until 2019.

...its taking me forever to complete this system

4 to 5 years of one piece at a time lol

Mojo - The relationship with Bryston has been great for both parties, as the speakers have to compete with other VERY high end speakers in high end audio stores.

Then there is the addition of Andrew - the man is nothing short of stellar in his audio knowledge. The best compliment I have personally received in this hobby is on 3 separate occasions, Andrew/Ian have set up double blind A/B tests in Dwight for me. In each of the three, I reported roughly the same results as did Andrew.

After the third, Ian, in his "gut laugh" way, suggested that maybe I do actually know what the hell I am talking about.

Andrew is quiet, unassuming, and smart as one could want.

I would expect Bryston is lending a hand with amps and DSPs. That would make a lot of sense to me.

I have an idea, perhaps Ian and Andrew should work on some other DSP algorithms to enhance the ranges which the Disco/HT guys like and offer it as an upload via the USB port on the back of the amps. Or make an outboard controller with various equalizations which are selectable and you plug it into the USB port to select what you are planning on using the system for on any given evening. This might open up more potential buyers for the subs as it would appeal to a wider range and type of listener.

If you are using the EP800 for HT one night, you select low chest hit slam LCHS, if you are listening smooth music you select SM, if you are meeting John Travolta you select SNV Saturday night fever.

That's actually a good idea! I forgot all about the USB port because Axiom never did anything with it for field use. It was pretty much for factory use only. In the original DSP subs like mine, the USB port was used for firmware download only and couldn't be used to modify the config file.

"Axiom products are for adults."

craig:

That is a most astute comment. I wish that I would have thought of it when I was actively sparring with the few overly enthusiastic juvenile Axiom bashers in other sites. Thankfully that nonsense seems to have largely passed as I don't see much of it anymore.

BTW, I had a pair of Velodyne Subs that had 4 DSP selections (selected by a remote) for different freq response curves. I didn't find them to be all that useful & finally settled on the most accurate curve...

TAM

But what about those of us who want to be adults in the daytime and children at night?

I am all for rubber lipped nights

I am now living the teen years I never had.