Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Stereo Which Power Source for M60ti? Newbie.

Thanks mojo. You’re a wealth of knowledge. I do believe what you are saying overall, otherwise we’d see a ton of destroyed mid woofers and a very poor respect for axiom speakers if the opposite were true.

My question then is, why? Or rather how?

How are the woofers not damaged mechanically or thermally? Is it a testament to build quality and tight specs ?

I agree on the family of curves being positively affected overall, that makes sense.

Additionally , if I may speculate, am I in threat ( or rather not in any threat ) of damaging my mid woofer if I push my amplifier too hard into clipping? ( which I wouldn’t do on purpose of course). But as they say,” just saying “.

I look forward to one day hearing the bass of an active lfr. That’s amazing that 500s have no discerning effect in bass response. Incredible.

Another thought, are there any other speaker makers / brands out there that make a full range naturally attenuated woofer like that ? In a 3 way setup at least?

That’s a bit of disjointed post loaded with questions but that’s what comes to mind.

Kodiak.

My old Bose 601s don't have any low frequency attenuation on the 8" woofers. But their voice coils melt long before an M3 starts sounding bad.

I would not be worried about your M60 mid under distortion. I'd be more worried about the tweeter.

As for how, it's all about the surround and spider materials and geometry,the adhesive used to couple them to the driver, the adhesive used on the voice coil, dissipating heat through the aluminum dust cap, and aluminum tweeter faceplate and cooling the voice coil hot air through vents.

Note your M60ti don't have many of the improvements above which lead to greater linearity at higher volumes and greater longevity.

My old Bose 601s don't have any low frequency attenuation on the 8" woofers. But their voice coils melt long before an M3 starts sounding bad.

I would not be worried about your M60 mid under distortion. I'd be more worried about the tweeter.

As for how, it's all about the surround and spider materials and geometry, the adhesive used to couple them to the driver, the adhesive used on the voice coil, dissipating heat through the aluminum dust cap, and aluminum tweeter faceplate and cooling the voice coil hot air through vents.

Note your M60ti don't have many of the improvements above which lead to greater linearity at higher volumes and greater longevity.

So if I’m hearing you right, then to safely and with a large margin of backup, I should ( for higher spl ) get more power in the long run.

I’d say I’m happy so far with my uninitiated ears with the quality at medium volumes. My goal is certainly trouble free enjoyment and longevity with my purchase and system overall.

I’d say it’s another tick in the column for axiom attention to detail all around. ( cost benefit and quality and not being shy to try different things. Love it. ).

You definitely can use more power in your space at your listening distance. It's actually a good thing you didn't jump to an amp right away because you'll now have a basis for comparison when you upgrade and you will appreciate upgrading even more.

Imagine a newbie, who has never even listened to a system, because say she's a student who lived at the family home with a Sonos or Bose or headphones. The first system she buys is active LFRs. How would she know it's good? So it's better to start off with a hand-me-down system and work up to appreciate goodness.

Totally. Love the logic. That makes some good sense. Over the holidays I had a listen to my “ childhood “ reference system. Paradigm monitor 9. ( single tweet with dual 8in woofer ) with a 10 inch speaker level paradigm passive sub filtering to the mains. No comparison to my m60. Not even close. Too boomy and lacked midrange reality. I think that system would sound better with that passive sub removed. The jvc that’s powering the whole thing has plenty of power to go with the high sensitivity paradigms. But I did conclude I like bass. It’s fun. My m60s do lack a bit of heft with rap hip hop and low freq effects.

I borrowed the same CD ( Santana Super Natural ) from pops and played it on the m60s. Sounded like strong cup of coffee was added to the mix and someone took the dark glasses at dusk off and turned on the lights.

So I appreciate your logic of appreciation of moving up in quality in steps. Nice one.

NowI’m trying to talk pops into some m60hpor m80 for his place. Actually m5hp would be perfect with an added outboard amp to the old passive sub. That sub really thumps.

Those Paradigms sound like my old Boses.

The midrange clarity with the addition of the mid-woofer is startling when compared to say the M3 or the M50. It would be most interesting to hear your thoughts of the M3 or M50 alongside the M60 or M5. From a fidelity/accuracy stand-point, the M3 and M50 are miles away from the M5 and the M60. However, I find I can relax better with the M3 and M50.

For hip hop and LFE, you need at least one sub no matter what passive Axiom you might have.

What's your father's listening area like and what does he listen to?

Dad likes orchestral ( think Laurenna mckennit) symphony, jazz, acoustic guitar, rock 70’s 80’s) Pink Floyd, Neil Young, occasional funk, and uncharacteristically likes the odd techno bass heavy tune. Anything Knopfler is a favorite of his. Mostly on vinyl but some on red book standard CD.

Listening space: 8 foot by 8 foot with 8 foot ceiling. But all opens to high ceiling on both sides. ( essentially he’s setup underneath the upstairs loft. ) I told him to move it into the loft. It’s a small space compared to mine. The speakers sit about 5 feet apart and listening spot is about 7 feet back. The sub is in a corner open to the high ceiling. It’s down firing. I think the high ceiling corner install makes it boomy.

I think m5hp upstairs in the loft would be exceptional. But I doubt he’s move it up there. Stubborn.

Glad to here you think all axiom passives need sub support. I agree. I like a bit of grunt and subtle thump in the low end. Sweet more research to do now!

I will say though at higher volumes there is definitely some low end wow factor. But Sometimes hip hop tech tunes need a bit of bass knob turned to 3 o clock position to give a little extra. Other than though pure direct sounds best, significantly better for all other types of music.