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Trevor, why no love for REW?
Love that video mojo, I was wondering if that was possible, what amp were you using?
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ADA-1000-2. 256W peaks reaching about 105dBC at my listening position. They were playing full range...just the way I like them.
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Good to know. Takes some power to make them move. But boy do they dance!!! Excellent video, one for the archives.
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They can gobble up the power from the ADA-1500. Unlike the M5HP, when they suck up that much power they're still quite linear. Must be the sealed design.
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I received my M5HPOW today and I must admit, in the relatively short amount of time I have had to do some critical listening, they sure sound quite a bit different from my old V2 M80s which have been reassigned to the archives. I cranked them up for a short span and they had little problem handling it.
My only issue(if it is one)is that because they are on the wall along with my VP180OW which is under the television in an LCR configuration. because I use my system almost exclusively for video, the M5s are located quite a bit above my listening position creating the situation whereby it goes against the conventional wisdom that the LCR tweeters should be lined up as closely as possible. Of course, in this set-up, it is impossible. I will be putting it all through its paces this evening with a movie on my player to hear how it all sounds. I guess there must be something in the design that negates that conventional wisdom.
One thing for sure, it is nice to have the extra floor space.
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Awesome Casey, Glad to hear you're enjoying them. I can attest that they can play loud, I bet they sound great with a decent wall behind them. I recommend using your parametric EQ on your receiver (if you have that option) to dial them in. I can tell you that made all the difference in the world on mine, but I have a terrible listening environment. Do you have any pics? Use post https://postimages.org/
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Casey01, I'm looking forward to hearing more of your impressions.
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I guess there would would be TWO differences I noticed almost immediately. First, in comparison to the M80s,the M5s are are about 4 db less sensitive which is pretty much in line with the listed specs and, of course, required volume balancing, no big deal. Secondly, and probably the most obvious, with the M5s now assuming the L/R roll mounted about 5 feet off the floor on each side of my monitor(LG 77" Oled), the soundstage is considerably elevated and more "in your face". I was a little concerned because the tweeters would be noticeably above the listening position there would be a loss in detail. I don't know how Axiom did it, but, so far my concern is unwarranted. Another thing I noticed when I first listened to the VP180OW when I received it a few weeks ago ago, it and now and the M5s don't seem to be affected as much by objects and room boundaries immediately around them and are, as you already mentioned, more linear.
I still haven't had a chance yet to watch a movie at higher volumes, but, I am sure that will be a pleasurable experience. As I said in a previous post, now that my LCR front soundstage is all OW, it looks like I didn't need the big boxes after all.
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How Axiom did it was by carefully designing for a gradual and minimal phase shift between the mid-woofer and the tweeter at the 2KHz cross-over.
I was as surprised as you about the OW. The M2OW soundstage better than the M5HP bookshelves in my living room. Imaging of the M5HP bookshelves is better (higher resolution) though. I anticipate the M5HPOW are the same in that regard and may offer the same or better soundstage than the M2OW.
I find the soundstage of all v4 bookshelf models is better when the tweeter is lower than the ears. The speakers simply disappear in this configuration and I can "hear" the soundstage behind them. It's almost as if they are projecting the sound behind them. The on-walls are a little different in this regard. The best way I can describe it, whatever they can't project behind them, they project to the sides. The effect is a huge soundstage to the boundaries of my room.
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Trevor, why no love for REW? Just a preference thing. Audio equipment doesnt always mean hdmi. Honestly, it was much easier to quickly measure and tune with test discs or the onboard tones or pink noise generator with Audiotools. Measuring phase was a gamechanger with subwoofer integration. I dont think REW can measure phase properly with an external mic preamp. Maybe usb? Dunno. Audiotools is ready to go out of the gate with very dependable results. REW I found was great, but definitely very clunky to set up for a mobile user in different rooms and not a lot of time. The laptop reliance was a deal breaker with all the drivers and other windows drivers in the process. I am not patient with software that gets in its own way or needs a care and feeding manual. Lol. I was able to walk someone through the install, hookup and use over facetime in NZ with Audiotools. Pretty sweet. Super easy, powerful and intuitive. I used to think apps were kinda flakey or gimmicky. Not this one for sure. Pro grade.
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