Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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Thanks for clarifying. I better read carefully from now on.
More drivers= shared load of high voltage for high spl making less distortion. Makes sense.
More drivers = more challenging to integrate into room / achieve holographic image bc of trying to “ time “ all drivers accurately? Or too many drivers in smaller space creating room nodes etc? Or both?
M60ti Hafler9505 & JFET Pre,Axiom Transformer. M3 Marantz PM7200 Dual 606 Denon 2700 M2 Yammy RX595
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Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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Loud and clean = M100s Louder and cleaner = active LFR1100s LFR1100 actives in this house would be too much as would m100 I think. I’ll create a space for those one day with subs etc.
M60ti Hafler9505 & JFET Pre,Axiom Transformer. M3 Marantz PM7200 Dual 606 Denon 2700 M2 Yammy RX595
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Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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Thanks for clarifying. I better read carefully from now on.
More drivers= shared load of high voltage for high spl making less distortion. Makes sense.
More drivers = more challenging to integrate into room / achieve holographic image bc of trying to “ time “ all drivers accurately? Or too many drivers in smaller space creating room nodes etc? Or both? The simple question is, why would you choose that?.....an m60v4 be more linear than an m80v4? Edit; What’s the definition of audio linearity? Less distortion? Maybe I’m confused by a terminology misunderstanding?
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Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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Yes and yes. You'll be helping Andrew in no time. Also, the more drivers a speaker has, the larger its cabinet, unless it's open. The cabinet interacts with the acoustic radiation inside the room. The smaller it is, the more of a point source it becomes and the less it interferes with the room. Also the smaller it is, the less it makes noise of its own which is an absolute nightmare to resolve unless you can make use of digital active filtering a la active LFR1100s. But even the active LFR1100s are not perfect in that regard. They are oh so darned close. Why oh why Ian did you not add two more mids and two more tweets per speaker? What's 4 more amp channels when we already need 10?
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Yes and yes. You'll be helping Andrew in no time. Ha ha ha!! nice. Well good, i've got some great ideas for him. Yeah, ummmmm no. I don't think he needs the kind of help I have to offer! Sounds like a constant give and take battle. More drivers for spl sharing but bigger cabinet with potential more resonances. So build a strong cabinet with bracing, price and cost go up. And on and on it goes.
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Even if you build a completely inert cabinet, that inert cabinet still interacts with the energy off the room boundaries. Now you have a completely inert cabinet that still acts as an acoustical shadow.
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Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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I upgraded from M60V4 to M80V4 a couple years ago.
Mojo has a ton of useful information, and I do appreciate his opinion, but he ain't always "right". My M80's are a superior sounding speaker than the M60's they replaced. And neither are HP's...... Just saying....... Take advice with a grain of salt and consider other points of view.
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Hey Michael thanks for chiming in.
Why did you decide to upgrade from m60v4 to m80v4?
Why did you choose to not get the HP version?
What differences are you hearing?
What size and type of space are you in?
I’ve always considered the m80 as the flagship speaker from axiom. I bought these m60 ti for cheapish on refurb just to try out axiom. Loving em.
It looks like you have lots of posts so I’m guessing you’ve gone thru the various versions of towers over the years.
I’m absolutely open to anyone’s opinion they are sharing. I’m enjoying learning and this is hobby I didn’t think I’d get so geeked out on. Thats why I’m here! Plus it’s fun to yack about audio.
M60ti Hafler9505 & JFET Pre,Axiom Transformer. M3 Marantz PM7200 Dual 606 Denon 2700 M2 Yammy RX595
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Re: New vs Old - Tweeters
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IMO a lot of the ti vs v4 debate depends on the content you are playing. Around the time the ti speakers were developed the audio business was in a downturn while the home theater business was going crazy. I still find ti speakers pretty much ideal for home theater, while they can be a bit edgy on some music. My theory (supported by some, mocked by others) is that a lot of popular music was mixed with monitor speakers that had a deliberate dip in the 2-4 KHz region (sometimes called "the BBC dip") since that response seemed to be popular with average listeners. The problem was that if you mix and EQ through speakers with a 2-4 KHz dip and then play back on speakers that have a bit of emphasis in that region you can end up with "bright" fairly easily. Not sure of the reason but I never had that problem with home theater content. I'm guessing that the reference systems used for mixing movies had something closer to a flat or even slightly peaky response in that region, resulting in a more neutral balance across the frequencies... ... or it could just be that music from the 80s and 90s really was as awful as people say it was
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