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agreed

AVS would have been the better place to get such a preferred response about 'upgrading' cables than here no?

Last thought on the topic of loudness, Amir at ASR has a great post on it, 40 min video but based on research as usual. Some of the research numbers are surprisingly higher than many may have guessed, such as no amplification concerts with just instruments typically in the 100dB+ range (jazz at 127dB!).
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/music-how-loud-is-loud-video.22434/
https://www.aes.org/e-lib/online/browse.cfm?elib=7948

I've often seen the rock concert SPL levels on loudness charts relating to hearing safety of 120dB (https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/Pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=tf4173) and a person shouting at someone 1 inch from their ear can hit over 130dB, but how these are measured and the half truth of going deaf is part of Amir's video. Loudest rock concerts hitting over 135db is still just crazy.

I suppose if someone really wanted a true, full sounding, surround sound concert experience in their home without the limitation of a 10x10x8 room, they better be prepared to open the pocket books real wide!

Amir's method for finding limits in the equipment is exactly what i've been doing for 20 years, based in part on seeing how Axiom punishes their gear to understand the limits. It's why i set my recommendation to never push the volume past the 85% level (as a starting point rule of thumb) except during a very brief testing phase with near gear to know the threshold for audible distortion and to make sure i don't come near that point. If i find myself going beyond those values because i'm trying to get more SPL at my preferred listening distance, i need to review the equipment list for changes (bigger speaker, more amp power) or resign myself to knowing that for what i can afford, it's got limits beyond my expectations and perhaps should add some surround speakers instead for ambience over SPL.

Thank you all for the information, much of what has been written has been in line with my thinking. The sound coming from my 880’s is terrific, but I would conclude my amp is just adequate. I contacted Axiom to assure me that the Outlaw 5000 would work, and they thought it to be fine. I only used 4 of the five channels so there is a little extra backup power. I sit at about 10 feet from the speakers in a reasonably large bedroom. Occasionally I desire reference levels for orchestral music and I pretty much get there, just worry about pushing the amp too hard which may harm the speakers, however I don’t hear distortion or clipping. The best resolution is to buy a more powerful amp or settle for what I have. Thanks again to all! I really appreciate your input.

For myself I’d be very happy with 180w in a bedroom … But if you must have a full volume experience you’ll have to go to a larger amp. Play with the equations above to figure out how much. If you know the amp has some headroom subtract it off the 15db. Good luck and have fun it.

LFR880s in a bedroom?
Damn.
What's in the living room?