Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Hearing Things M5HP “Review” on YouTube

Hambrabi, I’m assuming you are referring to the NRC Research ,blind listening and olive scores as being right versus the reviewer being right.

I agree with you. In terms of axiom being correct and using research and blind listening. I also agree if you meant the opposite. The reviewer is free to say anything and be correct in his mind and his preferences.

How are other manufacturers making speakers without the science and research and blind testing? And then selling lots of speakers that the masses like? If the Harman curve or Floyd toole curves and blind testing lean listeners to objectively picking a certain speaker as most enjoyable when not sighted, are we saying our human nature of choice of what is better is that impacted heavily by what something looks like or is being sold to us by way of entertainment and subjective reviews? Wow. That’s a scary thought. I guess a speaker maker or audio company has to choose: be a best seller in the market , or actually sell the best ( or one of the best ) well researched and produced products out there. Kinda like books, there’s really great reads out there and then there are best sellers for the masses.

It’s soooo subjective overall as the average consumer doesn’t really understand it all. I’m not saying I do either but as I’ve slowly accrued some experience I see what I used to think sounding good and real was not even close. It was just loud and boomy, but entertaining. But learning more and trying new things and understanding more of audio knowledge is shaping my idea of what sounds good and how to get there for more. I’m always searching the what I’ve learned to call emotional impact and realism.

Im not really sure where I’m going with this rant but I guess I question the subjectivity of the you tube reviewers. A real review should show or speak about how they set the speakers up, comment on the room, comment about reference points against the product being reviewed etc. and the reviewers preferences.

While I admit to being biased towards loving Axiom speakers and not having heard many more, ( klipsch didn’t like , psb which I did actually like a lot , Polk which I did not like, vintage Sansui are ok, paradigm older models not great). I still think the axiom sound the best to my ears in a variety of different locations too with a few different amplifiers too.

Ok end of rant. I guess I was just disappointed in the review as I was maybe seeking some confirmation bias now that I’m thinking about it. But one poor review ( poorly executed at that ) is not going to change my mind. I just listened to some ultra clean and clear and dynamic Brian Bromberg, some Lee Ritenour and dare I admit it , Miley Cyrus ( select cuts) and I still say WOW out loud while I’m listening. ( on my m60s with my new to me amp ).

Carry on and enjoy the music.I’m happy with my setups. I digress….

Kodiak, you need to stop wrecking your brain with that reviewer. Try reading some stuff I wrote for a good frontal lobe cleansing. Because I fearlessly, frankly, fluently fuse fragmented figments, facts, figures flawlessly.

Ha ha ha!!! I know I know. Im trying to be too diplomatic.

There’s so many things wrong with that review. Huge screen in the important space between the speakers, they need to be out in the room etc etc. and on and on. Like why comment / make a review if you’re still not done the review or barely started broken in and trying to set them up properly. Some guys just like sparkle and boom I guess.

Im just loving my setup and he’s missing out. !!

I’ve added an old sub to the mix here in the big room. So satisfying. It’s all there. But I need twin sealed subs I think. These m60 ti with power behind them really makes a world of difference.

Mojo, I’ve read all your really reasonable relatable reviews religiously. Rigorous reviews receive rewards.

I guess the comments irked me too. People saying “ oh well thanks for saving me the trouble. I won’t try axiom now. “.

I think his pants would fall off if he rocked out to some LFRs at someone’s house. Not saying who. But someone.

Edit: the Eminem test track is laughable. Great for vocals as it’s a very “spoken” rap. But the bass is sub bass. Ie bass that is meant for a sub. Not sure why anyone would test with that song. Ok I’m done with it now. I swear. I’m all verklempt….. yeesh, ock yoy

I'm glad to hear you added a sub. Even an old, cheap sub is better than no sub with your M60s in that big room. I lived with a cheap Sony sub I bought at London Drugs for 100 bucks for 11 years. Still rockin' with my Audiobytes.

It's difficult to say if you need twins. Dual 600v4 are not as great in my room as a single 800. Neither are quadruple 500v4. The 800 ought to get more love than it does in this industry.

An 800v4 with M2v4 is a damned good end game!

Gonna try the sub with m2s at some point in here.

Before I added the sub just adding more power dramatically improved everything. It’s an older amp but is really clean and effortless if I had to pick some words.

So many details are now present that I didn’t even know were there in my favorite songs. It’s so dam satisfying.

The sub makes the room feel smaller a bit. It does the trick for now.

I’ve got the m60 running full range and the sub playing 60 hz and lower. Connected via a second pair of full range preouts to the sub from my preamp. Does the job. Sub has a high pass as well if I use speaker level inputs. Might give that a go at some point too. Maybe I’ll try that with the m2s.

I also have pre-outs running to my subs. Why/how does the sub make the room feel smaller?

I didn’t explain it very well. The room doesn’t feel smaller hmmmm how to explain…… I guess what I mean is the acoustic cues are there and complete sounds are now there. Everything is more “‘ethereal”. There’s more “impact “ and solidity to everything. Everything is more grounded. It’s just more real. It makes the highs and mids and mid bass better too somehow. I can’t explain it.

It’s just better. And that beautiful Center image and soundstage and depth is still there. Even that is better somehow. I don’t know how to verbalize it. And I’m not pumping the bass. It’s blended pretty good. The towers and the sub just disappear. It’s really good. And it’s not even a “ really good “ sub at all I dont think.

Yeah and you don't even have decent speakers since they're Ti.

Hmmmm...come to think of it, maybe you're just smokin' some real fine weed out there, huh?

I haven’t touched the stuff in like…….I can’t remember when. I’m a little foggy.

Well if v2 or ti is not very good, my god v4 m60s will blow my pants off. !!!!

( I’m actually waiting for v5, I read somewhere on the forum that is the gonna be the best, maybe….)

My m3 v4 are definitely better in some respects if I was to loosely compare them.

Regardless of my suspected inebriation, my m60 are just rocking with this amp. Good amplification absolutely matters , quality and quantity and reserve. It makes a huge difference.

I think you just need to enjoy now. You're in a very happy place. You won't need to upgrade for 2 weeks.