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I simply meant that we don't know one way or another. I have suspicions, like we all do. No, I don't believe the government is controlling Saudi oil supplies. They may be in control of Iraqi oil supplies since we are occupying their country. I don't think we'll know for sure for quite some time. I don't know the answer and I don't think many do.

We are OCCUPYING Iraq ? Log onto this...

www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html

I guess we also occupied Germany for 50 years, too... In the late 40's through the early 90's we averaged twice the troops that we have in Iraq, and we STILL have 70,000 today.

This country needs a civics lesson...

For those who don't wish to find the above mentioned site... It is the new Iraqi constitution outline. The civics lesson... Occupied countries don't get to write their own constitution. We fought a war in the 1770's over that.

You see, The Brits in 1774 were not working towards our self governance... 143 YEARS after Plymouth Rock...

15 months after the fall of Hussein, Iraq has drafted a constitution...

Nice catch, 2x6. "Mercenaries" is obviously not the correct word. Maybe "Fu*k!ng scum" would be better?
The school disaster in Russia has really opened my eyes to new possibilities. What was that great quote from Rumsfeld? Something like, "There are known knowns..., known unknowns... and unknown unknowns..."? Massacring school children in huge numbers would have to fall in that last category - until now. How could rational people anticipate an attack like that?

Out here in California we have one cop at almost every high school, but even if you had four or ten there is simply nothing to prevent the same thing from happening here. I'm not trying to spread panic, but we have lots of reasons to be very concerned about the enemies who have been attacking us for the past 30+ years.
I wonder which one of those geniuses came up with that idea, "Hey let's murder some schoolkids, that will show 'em".

Same ones who celebrated the slaughter of infants in the nursery of the Ma'alot Kibbutz.

Bigwill ... 2x6 ... There will be more from these people. militants/mercanaries my butt... They are murderers... It is the right time for the GOOD GUYS to show UNITY...

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this threat to kill every American by Muslim extremist terrorists

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Believing that this is their ultimate goal is seeing the world in black and white only. They are attacking us for much more complicated reasons than the naive belief that they want us all dead.

Still, if you do believe they want us all dead, you need to ask youself, "Self, WHY do they want us all dead?" It's NOT that they hate our freedom. It's NOT that we aren't just like them.

You also need to ask youself, "What makes someone a 'terrorist'?"

The right constantly falls back on the "They hate us" and "They want to see us all killed" argument -- all the while keeping the real, historical, underlying reasons unspoken.

You can bomb and hunt down and try to eradicate terrorist by using force and military might. That may make us safer in the short-term. But you can't honestly believe is will make a constructive difference for subsequent generations. Safety by force is illusory. If someone wants to do us great damage, they will find a way.

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I have been called "high and mighty" and "rhetorical" here... and have not called anyone names

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I would like to state for the record that this is a very misleading statement.

When I said "And I'm frankly becoming annoyed by your high-and-mighty stance here," it was a direct response to your statement, "it is nothing more than your own, America is wrong... self loathing." Mine was a comment on your actions. Yours was a comment on my character -- to which I have every right to take offense.

As for the "rhetorical" discussion, that again was a comment on your actions, not on your character. You even agreed that your questions were rhetorical because you conceded that both you and those whom you were questioning (hopefully) knew the answer.

To me, name-calling is a character attack, not giving someone an opinion about their actions.

Let's say it does happen (perish the thought)? What to you think the country's reaction would be, on a governmental level?

PM - They DO hate our lifestyle. They DO want us dead. If a murderer wants you dead, are you going to try to reason with him ? Or defend yourself.

And you can dress it anyway you want, you called my stance "high and mighty" ... that is still calling names and lowering the level of conversation.

I agree with the basics that our current government is doing to fight terrorists. You say hunting them down and killing them is not an answer. Well, Russia tried being nice, as has France... and what did it get them ?

But let us give this another shot... you think we somehow are also responsible for the terrorist's acts. I am on record as blaming the terrorists and them alone.

More questions...

1. What did we do that caused 9/11 to happen ?
2. What, and be specific, would be YOUR solution to world terrorism ?