Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion The Water Cooler OT: politics

PMB, do you live here, on this OT Politics site? Let me see if I understand your point. The US gives aid to third world countries and finances the IMF and World Bank for infrastructure development projects. We give more money in foreign aid and food aid to these failed nations than anyone else, probably more than the rest of the world combined. What are we doing wrong here? Oh, I see, our commercial banks lend them money. OK, and the problem is what? Oh, they expect to be repaid. The US foreign aid program oppresses these countries. I see your point.

My favorite example is Somalia. We see news broadcasts of starving black children with distended bellies and flies eating their eyes, immaciated mothers who cannot feed their children. Breaks a nation's heart. We send food through the UN. The food is stolen by warlords. We send in Marines to help get the food to the people. The Warlords and Imams declare Jihad against US invaders. The folks who stole the food, the warlords and their "technicals" that is, thugs in Toyota pick up trucks mounting 20 caliber machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, and prepubescents carrying AK47s kill our boys, hack their bodies to pieces, set them on fire and the people cheer. Death to the infidel Crusaders!

Yes, PMB, it's a crazy world and we're the bad guys, right? Forgive the observation, but what a twisted and naive point of view.

You call BigWill a butt kisser, a flag waiver? If you hate America, that's your right, but don't be defensive if folks see through your subtle and soft voiced tirade and call you on it.

Why do I even bother? You guys can't see beyond the fact that I'm to your left and you deliberately misrepresent and twist my words. Did you even read my posts? I haven't said a damn thing about food aid, and yet your post makes it seem like I'm criticizing the US for trying to feed to hungry.

**** you. I'm no longer into this masochism.

I dont drop in here that often.












Now I remember why.

Amen Bray. I read this forum daily and to be honest it makes me sick. I get so tired of BigWill thinking if you question the government at all, you are a traitor. Thats just bull***t. This country would not be here if someone had not questioned the ruling government of that time.

And it is so good to see Craigs condescending, better than thou comments back in the mix. I am so tired of intolerance and insecurrity. Grow the f up. Just because PMB or Spiff does not agree with you, it does not mean they are wrong. What makes Big Will or Craigsub experts on everything? Why are you guys right and everyone that thinks differently wrong?

I am just glad that everyone in this country is not so close-minded about everything.

I think I have had just about enough of this forum. I enjoy reading about people and their speakers and home theaters and offering help if I can, but some people are just so nasty its just not worth it anymore.

Scott

I'm not going to leave the forum, but this thread will not be visited again.
At first I saw some very well thought out and CIVAL debate, but now all I see is a bunch of mud slinging.
Come on guys this is a friggin message board, its supposed to be fun and imformative.
Chances are, if those of you that argue and insult each other most met face to face you would be friends.
Some of my best friends, I dont agree with politically.
SO THE **** WHAT!!!!!! It takes ALL types to make this country GREAT.
Carry on

Gee Scott... I don't remember calling names. I see your point though. If PM posts a link, it is Gospel, NOT to be countered. I know right wing nuts who were posting the same drivel about conspiracy theories during the 90's. Ron Brown was murdered, because he "knew too much".

Now we have the left doing the same. Fine... go ahead and wallow in how our foreign policy is made to make lower income countries our slaves. Hang on... We are ALSO outsourcing our jobs to these people. We have lent countries money for decades, and we would have continued to do so under Kerry... would the left have argued this point then ?

You see, I happen to think the world is a pretty good place, and can also have a conversation without personal attacks. If you want to have a conversation and discuss opinion, great. Do it without the name calling, which is juvenile, and by using YOUR brain, rather than another link to some nut case... That (engaging in real talk) is what adults do.

By the way...I never saw Bigwill try to get someone to leave the conversation. He is expressing an opinion. Or is that not allowed in your version of the first amendment..?

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Do it without the name calling

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Hi pot, this is kettle...

Ok... Give me all the examples in which I resort to name calling...

Need I go back to your obvious use of the word "liberal" as an insult?

Why aren't you proud of the term "liberal?" It's not like he's calling you a communist, or a fascist. The tension between liberals and conservatives is usually policy and value driven and relatively civil.