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What is the difference between using tube amps or a solid state amp like a Denon or Yamaha?
These "audiophiles" I speak too seem to think that anything but seperates and tube amps is "low end garbage".
Am I missing something or are they just caught up in their own world of snobery?
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Sounds like you've made up your mind that tube amps are "snobery."
How's the remedial spelling class coming along?
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I was actually very busy while typing, I am sorry for the error, I hope it didnt ruin your day. I have not made any decision on tubes at all, I was simply very curious on the differences. I am new to home theater and was trying to find out about a subject I know nothing about.
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thekid, A properly set up tube system will be extremely enjoyable, and is not the sign of snobbery, but rather the sign of someone who likes the finer things in life. One of my all time favorite systems was a Tube pre-power through Klipschorns... expensive ? yes... close to live music ? ... absolutely.
Does this mean Denon, Yamaha, etc... are "bad" ? ... No... just different price points and performance levels.
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Thanks Craigsub,
I re-read my original question and I was trying to get to the point, but in fact, I think I completely missed it. I just didnt know the difference in sound quality. I never thought someone who owned tubes was a snob, just the people who I had met. Thanks for not attacking me
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kid-
you have to forgive 2x6 a bit.. he can get touchy when he feels his beloved 'tube' infactuation being threatened or questioned. there is no question, he is the 'tube' authority around here, with haole-boy a close second.. so, when it comes to questions on tubes, those are the guys to ask..
now, as far as the difference in sound.. there is one.. those that love the tube sound, swear by it.. those that dont.. dont.. its as simple as that.. you would probably need to hear the two different systems to be able to make your own judgement. and there is no doubt, tube stuff is WAY more expensive..
so, factor in what you want, with what you can spend, and build from there.. but, i would be willing to say that you would not be unhappy with a good denon, yamaha, onkyo, HK, marantz, pioneer elite, sony ES, integra, or any other countless brands of solid state receivers..
good luck, and happy building of your HT system.
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Call me an idiot, but I don't think the difference in sound is "night and day". A good HT receiver will be great for music and far more versatile for you in the future.
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bigjohn,
Thanks for the response. I havent heard them, but would really like too. I look forward to hearing all types of speakers and amps
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From Sound and Vision July/August print edition.
"Okay, Internet, get this: tubes are a waste of money! They're hot, they're expensive, and one prominent manufacturer of tube equipment told me some years ago that the tubes themselves have something like an 80% failure rate. AND THEY DON'T OFFER BETTER SOUND. They have higher inherent distortion, are often obviously noisier, and offer much lower peak power ratings than solid-state equiment. They certainly don't last as long. So why put up with the bother? Sound & Vision."
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I think a lot of people will disagree with that quote. I personally like the way tubes sound as well as vinyl. Yes, you can hear a difference. I’m not saying that it’s a life changing difference, but subtle. Now, I cannot hear subtle changes with silicon based amps and I don’t think one should (that is where good speakers like Axiom come into play).
I would consider tubes to be more of a personal preference than anything else.
Being a HT enthusiast, I also appreciate good silicon.
My $.02
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