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Hell no, not you at all. You take all points into consideration. Some do not.

Some take the "If science says, then it must be true" a little to the extreme.

I don't buy that train of thought.

Obviously you didn't read my response to you in the other thread. Or a lot of my old posts. I'm trying to temper it, though.

I have seen a few of your posts and you are relaxing a little. It's great to defend a position and I have no problem with people doing that. What gets me is the tone and the overall condescending attitude some have in the way they present there case. It's not what if, it's more like “this is the way it is and if you don't buy into my ramblings you are a fool”

Yeah ok I look like the fool here how?

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Some take the "If science says, then it must be true" a little to the extreme.

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Define the word 'science' here.
Too many audiophiles take the term out of context.
Science does NOT just mean taking measurements with a meter, it also includes the tests derived from HUMAN HEARING under CONTROLLED CONDITIONS.

I'm sorry but anyone who has ever taken a high school science course should know about basic methodology and removing all influential factors from the experiment. Home listening tests mean squat except to the individual beliefs of the person listening. The reports are subjective and hence, cannot be considered accurate.
That does not mean they don't hold truth, but other information w/o bias is required to make conclusions fact and not belief.
This is often a simple and logical approach that is disrespected and ignored as it does not suit the requirements of the home audiophile and their craft.

chess, I hear ya and I agree on some points.

You know what? I'm tired of this whole debate. It has moved into 2 or 3 different threads and people are taking pot shots at each other based on there own beliefs etc. It's wrong and a lot of people have taken this to a personal level. Again, wrong! At the end of the day if it sounds good to the person listening to it, so be it and who cares why!

I like the debating. Its fun and I usually learn a thing or to but when it hits the level some of these threads have gotten to, it’s not fun anymore. Heck you just posted about Saturn and BrenR’s use of “Pro” gear and implied that “Pro” gear is immensely better then consumer gear. I don’t think that is always the case but I chose not to respond for fear of starting up a “Pro Gear vs Consumer Gear” debate.

Anyway, I think people (including myself) need to think before they post and this place will be a lot more fun!

All agreeable NH.
Pot shots need to stay to a fun minimum (you old goat) or at least in PMs.

My thought about pro equipment vs. consumer level was just that though. If home consumers were really looking for 'the best' stuff, we wouldnt' be buying Krell or Plinius and touting it as high grade. Chances are we would be buying the same brand names that the pros use to actually record the very music we hear at home. I know of very few ppl who have such equipment for their HT or music systems. Bren and Alan would know a ton more about this subject.
I should note that the Axiom listening room does have some pro equipment but Ian has also ventured into some music recording lately so there is a requirement. For more information on this particular notable, Alan or Ian would have to chime in.

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we wouldnt' be buying Krell or Plinius and touting it as high grade. Chances are we would be buying the same brand names that the pros use

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I agree with you on this one. For a time I ran all Crown amps which are not really intended for HT use. Anyway, I had a zillion watts in 4 different amps and I don't think I paid anymore then $300.00 for each amp. I think the one I was running for my fronts was something like 750watts into 8ohms! You can get an ungodly amount of power going this route and the amps for the most part sound just as good as the consumer based ones.

I'm actually a little surprised it doesn't come up around here more. Take the 4ohm M80's. Why drive them with a $4000.00 Krell that puts out 150 a side when for under a $1000.00 you can get a Crown that will put out 1250 a side! lol

I've been very confused about that myself. I've used and am relatively familiar with products from Crown, Mackie & QSC, and they're all excellent amps. Why wouldn't you want to use these for HT?

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Why drive them with a $4000.00 Krell that puts out 150 a side when for under a $1000.00 you can get a Crown that will put out 1250 a side! lol

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And this is exactly the kind of scenario that made me start asking questions about high priced (or low priced) audio gear and how it was all rated, ranked and reviewed.
Things just did not make sense.

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I've been very confused about that myself. I've used and am relatively familiar with products from Crown, Mackie & QSC, and they're all excellent amps. Why wouldn't you want to use these for HT?

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They're not very user-friendly (accidentally set one in 70v constant voltage - bridged mono, hook up your speakers and watch the fun!), they're big, unattractive, require fans to keep them cool and they're off the map for anyone walking into their local Circuit City.

Bren R.