Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater Parasound Halo Owners ?

John, I have been trying to convince Outlaw for over 3.5 weeks that the problem was with this 770. Yes, the pic you seen it was stacked with the 950, but that was only after a few weeks of having it on the flloor, with nothing stacked on it, and the heat issue was not effected either way, on the floor, or in the cabinet. I even put a 17" house fan directly on the amp, and even with that, the problem channel would cut out with in 20 minutes.. As for offering to send a replacement, that is what concerned be after the first 3 calls, and they just wanted me to keep doing trouble shooting, which I have done for weeks..So today, I just forced the issue and made it clear I was not going to continue to just waste time re-trying things that have been done many times, I believe this unit had a problem, and I'm sure from all of the positive things I read about customer service from Outlaw before deciding to purchase from them must be true. This was just a freak thing, and for some reason, they choose to go to an extreme trouble shooting, and still wanted to wait and talk to facory techs, to see if they could arrive a solution. But after the thermo protectors have went through 70 - 100 resets, I did not fell like keeping the 770 should they find a solution, and send the 770 back to me. <g>

Not to thread jack, but why M80's all around? How does your setup play 5.1 format? Won't the resistance on your 60' 12gauge wire cause some of your problems?

1 - Reason for the five M80's, same logic as any out of the box home theater speaker system, fronts, rear, center are all matched.

2 - Not sure what you are asking about the 5.1 sound, sounds great, the rear M80's effect nothing when in 5.1.

3 - Not wanting to start another long thread on speaker wire gage/length, but from my testing of the shortest verses longest speaker wire in my system, has no effect rather its the 3' center wire, or the 60' rear ones.

4 - Actually the heat problem on the Outlaw 770 would cut out the thermo protector on a channel within 20 minutes, no matter what speaker I switched to that chanel amp. 99 % of the time it was always the left rear channel that was cutting out, and the tech had the assumption it had to be becasue it just happened to be the long 60' speaker run. I played the same source material, at the same level, for the same lenght of time, and it would always cut out in 20 minutes, on any speaker on that channel amp, even did it with each of the QS8's. Of course could it be that the left rear channel amp just happened to be in the center of the Outlaw 770 ?

I'm going to ask another question and you will see why I asked if it affected 5.1.

Do digital receivers output only certain frequencies to each channel when operating in digital surround mode, or do they just output discrete selection of sounds with full frequency coverage?

Do you get the same surround immersion with the M80's as you would with the quad-polar Q's?

Thanks for the info, and I have looked at the Sunfire, and price wise, they are close to the Anthem and Rtoel, Parasound is still the pricey one, but one thing, they are in my neighbor hood should I need to go complain, and has a few things, like powering the buttkickers that will go in the theater recliners, saving the cost of an additional amp. <g>.
I'm still undecided, have not really eliminated any brands yet, just trying to nail down costs for the requirements of the 300 watts per channel, don't think I want all amps in one enclosure again, and will need the processor/controller.

Here's my bid:
Anthem Statement series
and a quick review.

good, but $5000...

this is obviously equip made for people that have money to throw around. i mean, really. can a common guy really afford to spend $5000 on nothing but an amp?

i cant..might as well put this in the category with the Lamborghini Murcielago and the Virgin Galactic trip to the moon i been saving up for.

bigjohn

Great amps!

Tell me about it bigjon, I'm not a happy camper about now. With the dollar cost per amp being so low going with the Outlaw system, I ended up spening about $5,600 on the Axiom system, and was a happy camper having a great sounding system. Now with needing to replace the Outlaw 950/770, and needing the power for the levels I listen at, I'm now looking at over 3 times the $ 2,400 for the Outlaw, may need to take out a mortage to fund this project.

Can you get the same benefit with power amps for just the fronts and center ? Most of the content comes out from those 3 speakers AFAIK.

Dumb question maybe, but are you running the M80s in "large" or "small" mode ?