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>>Bren: If you don't have anything positive to say about the subject SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!

Hey... Bren's post was the only one I understood

no need to shout

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Bren: If you don't have anything positive to say about the subject SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!

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Down, boy.

I didn't realize we all got a veto. Did it come in the mail? Did mine get misplaced? Is it just understood, or do I get a punch card like at the video store?

Bren R.

Everyone gets a free bite.

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Everyone gets a free bite.

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Is that the Marv Albert plan?

Bren R.

Yes, most people who who share your point of view about Bren have learned to ignore the kind of post you're referring to. You should try it.

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Is that the Marv Albert plan?

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well, most people know it as the "Tyson Protocol".

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Yes, most people who who share your point of view about Bren have learned to ignore the kind of post you're referring to. You should try it.

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Or even have a laugh. There are a lot of things to different people where an attack on the subject becomes an attack on the individual... for the pious - it's religion, for the politickers it's their political party, for me - it's Workplace Health and Safety. These are things people have made a large part of their lives and, in a way, their beliefs in each, and the work they do in their names defines them as a person.

Let's face it, a tube is a glorified light bulb, a solid state IC is a block of sand. If we're fighting about light bulbs and sand then we really need something more in our lives.

Bren R.

The issue is not whether you are entitled to your opinion, Bren. I think the point is that you are offensive in your expression of your opinions. You are intolerant of the opinions of others and insulting to those who hold opinions which differ from your own.

The fact is, nothing short of the genius of many people has been invested into blocks of sand and glorified light bulbs. Folks who tell you, from their own experience, that tube amps can provide a wonderful musical experience, in some cases superior to the best solid states amps, are neither charlatans nor ignorant.

Just my 2 cents, Bren.

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The issue is not whether you are entitled to your opinion, Bren. I think the point is that you are offensive in your expression of your opinions. You are intolerant of the opinions of others and insulting to those who hold opinions which differ from your own.

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Now, I have to admit, you've turned down your "thumb in the eye" knob in the past while (credit where credit is due!) so I don't mind rationally discussing topics now. I'm intolerant - I'll admit that. My tolerance level has been eroded away by all the sales & marketing hype, I'm 31 now and the youngest of all my friends so for about the past 18 years I've been involved (either as a consumer for home audio or a tech for pro/event audio) with this stuff, and heard every lame sales pitch and fell for most of them and I've been shown the error of my ways directly and indirectly. I don't know about offensive, though... take this post... I suggested that the poster should ask you... and that most of us SS guys would suggest a SS amp listened to from the inside of a barrel. Was more poking fun at the usual debate than anything. As for insulting... everyone here has been guilty of that sin at some point, I was recently called the worst expletive in the English language.

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Folks who tell you, from their own experience, that tube amps can provide a wonderful musical experience, in some cases superior to the best solid states amps, are neither charlatans nor ignorant.

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I'm not sure charlatan or ignorant are the right terms... the problem comes when the tube guys admit they hear a difference (we all do, not too many won't concede there is a "tube" sound) but it breaks down when the tube guys are asked to call a spade a spade... the tube sound comes from a form of distortion. Yes, it's distortion, but that's not an insult. The same way caviar is really sturgeon eggs and escargot is really snails.

So no one can say your tube stuff doesn't sound good to you. If you like the sound they make, giv'er. But the other problem comes from the elitist attitude that most tube guys exhibit - the novelty of having something besides the off-the-shelf amplification everyone else has, a way to be different and unique from the million Denon 2805 owners. And they're "tweakable"... hell, tube amps tweak themselves.. over time, over heat, over barometric pressure, phases of the moon... from the SS guys' point of view, many (especially the younger ones) haven't heard tube amplification. I have, and I did a fair bit of dabbling with swapping tubes (Mr. Pang, my junior/senior high school electronics teacher - you were an evil man... "here's a box of tubes and a folder full of xeroxed copies of information about most of what's in there") but I've always had a preference for clean solid state stuff for final reproduction. It's more accurate, and isn't as fussy as tube amplification (don't like the sound, wait ten minutes!) and that's important to me. If someone prefers the tube sound, more power to them... if someone likes the sound a minnow hooked up in serial with their speakers makes, more power to them.

But it's a game for "fiddlers"... like owning a Panhead Harley-Davidson, it's got that cool factor but the Evolution engines just work.

Bren R.