I was checking with my dealer today, and he was not happy. The Onkyo that you referred to is available direct for $499.00 from them. You can also get a refurb for $399.00, as you noted. This is WAY more than they are charging. Buddy said that this is close to/below his cost. I am guessing that very soon, he will only be carrying Integra, which he says that he can get. The Integra is insanely expensive, and I cannot buy it direct.

Shane D